Any young earth creationists out there?

  • Thread starter Thread starter semper_catholicus
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Genesis is the story of God building and creating the world and Heavens as He saw fit
Who are we to doubt it
Nothing more than that? Just a history book? Well, OK. I thought there might be some theology involved. Strange that the account is included in the Easter Vigil readings, which I understand have some deeper significance than just a bit of history.
 
Wow!

That’s what I call a “ad hominem + shifting the burden of proof + lack of argument ” combo.

Here is an advice: instead of attacking others, try answering objectively their statements. ; )

Edit: I was even called a fundamentalist protestant : /
 
Last edited:
40.png
Aulef:
Now, if you think this fossil you showed is transitional, then you probably believe the one below is transitional as well (even though it is not considered so by taxonomists) just because it has features of mammals, reptiles and birds.
A platypus does not have any features specific to birds – merely a superficial resemblance in the upper jaw. It is a genuine transitional, showing features from Therapsid reptiles (egg laying) and mammals (hair, single jaw bone and milk).

rossum
I didn’t say specific to birds. I said birds, mammals and reptiles, and had in mind the fact that it lays eggs. A mammal that lays eggs.

And I was hoping someone to say the platypus is a transitional specimen so I could ask the following question: which animals today derived from the platypus, then, and based exactly on what?
 
Last edited:
Because Catholics aren’t supposed to choose Faith OR Reason. It’s both.
However where there SEEMS to be an apparent conflict between Faith and Reason , then faith supersedes reason. Remember that the human intellect has been darkened by sin .
 
Wow!
That’s what I call a “ad hominem + shifting the burden of proof + lack of argument ” combo.
Here is an advice: instead of attacking others, try answering objectively their statements. ; )
Edit: I was even called a fundamentalist protestant : /
The thing is, Aulef, there’s been this other thread on Evolution which has gone over its 2000-post limit five times. And in ten thousand comments, it’s fairly obvious that most Creationists have no knowledge of evolution to start with, and no interest in finding out any more. The fact that you have to ask “Is this fossil an example of a transitional animal” illustrates this very well. If you knew anything about evolution you wouldn’t have to ask, and if you were at all interested in finding out any more you could have Googled it and read far more than anybody could explain here.

Ad hominem - saying you don’t know anything about evolution. True.
Shifting the burden of proof - I’m not interested in proving anything. False.
Lack of argument - if you mean I’m not telling you lots of stuff you don’t want to know. True.

“Try answering objectively their statements”. I have responded to your statements. I have not answered your questions. You do not want them answered.

I was hoping that this thread might concentrate a little more on Creationism, and a little less on Evolution, but it is becoming increasingly apparent that Creationists have very little to offer about it.

Can anyone help? Why did God create dinosaurs, if all he was going to do was kill them all off again?
 
The fact that you have to ask “Is this fossil an example of a transitional animal”
Sure I would believe archaeopteryx was a transitional form if you could find archaeopteryx version 2.2…2.3…2.4… 2.5… 2.6… 2.7… 2.8…2.9…etc…etc…etc…but it ain’t gonna happen.
 
Why did God create dinosaurs, if all he was going to do was kill them all off again?
I take the view God intervenes in creation as little as possible. This allows us to study the natural world without resorting to ‘magic’ and so that when God does intervene (the resurrection of Jesus, Adam’s soul) it is more miraculous than if God kept intervening all the time in mundane matters.
Dinosaurs were one step in the very long chain God gave us the grace and intelligence to be able to study.
I assume you are more bothered by death and pain of those dinosaurs. I went to a talk by William Lane Craig. He said that animal feel pain but to the same level as humans do. I’ll admit thats not a very satisfying answer.
 
Why are several Catholic creationists on here persistently rejecting Catholic teaching?

Catholic magisterial documents plainly teach:
  1. Genesis uses figurative language and is not a scientific account
  2. Evolution is allowable and does NOT dispense with God
Not to mention the past Popes, including Francis, Benedict, and JPII who said evolution is “more than a hypothesis.” Before them, Pius XII plainly allowed for Catholic to adhere to evolution.

None of this means you HAVE to accept evolution. But stop spreading falsehoods about what evolution implies. If evolution was so anti-God and anti-Faith and anti-Creation as many on here are depicting, then the magisterium, the Popes, and indeed the Catholic theological tradition would not allow it. But they all do. Just read any Catholic Answers article on evolution, for example.


 
Last edited:
40.png
Glark:
God doesn’t need the sun to know how long 24 hours is.
Nor do we. 24 hours is 24 x 60 x 60 = 86400 seconds, and a second is defined as “the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.”

No mention of the sun there.

rossum
True, but we need the sun – and the earth, and its rotation! – to know that one day is 24 hours… 😉
 
However where there SEEMS to be an apparent conflict between Faith and Reason , then faith supersedes reason. Remember that the human intellect has been darkened by sin .
Ah, but the Church does not see an inherent conflict between Faith and evolution, or Genesis and evolution.

…Only creationists do. At least, the creationists on this thread.
 
Last edited:
Ah, but the Church
The Church is comprised of every member. The Church has not commanded its members to switch off their minds. Its darwinists like yourself and others who are feverishly trying to force their irrational dogma onto humanity
 
So, then, the magisterium of the Church has indeed indicated that evolution and Genesis/Christian Faith are in conflict?

Care to show me where?

Also, please see the above videos.
 
Last edited:
Nothing portrays a biased, uninformed mind like ignoring mountains of evidence in order to cling to the incumbent position.
 
And I was hoping someone to say the platypus is a transitional specimen so I could ask the following question: which animals today derived from the platypus, then, and based exactly on what?
Really, Aulef, you’re simply illustrating my point. Instead of asking these rather naive “trick questions”, why not look up “platypus evolution” on Google?
 
Sure I would believe archaeopteryx was a transitional form if you could find archaeopteryx version 2.2…2.3…2.4… 2.5… 2.6… 2.7… 2.8…2.9…etc…etc…etc…but it ain’t gonna happen.
It’s already happened. When Darwin wrote the Origin of Species there were no fossils that could have connected reptiles to birds, even though a sensible speculation suggested there ought to be. Archaeopteryx was found soon after it was published, and since then literally hundreds of fossils of animals with both reptile and bird characteristics in various proportion have been, and are being, discovered.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top