Any young earth creationists out there?

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Even though the Church allows for Evolution there are very strict guidelines such as Adam and Eve really existed and God is the maker of Heaven and Earth

I think it was Pope Puis XII who said this in one of His encyclicals
 
Yes, I agree with this.

I never meant to give the impression that all forms of evolution and their implications are fully compatible with the Faith.

Having said that, there is also a lot of leeway with regards to how a Catholic conceives of evolution. The teachings of the Church (e.g., Creation, Adam and Eve) act as boundaries, but there is no teaching that prevents us from accepting many aspects of evolution, including it’s most basic idea: That all biological organisms are ultimately related and have evolved over time. And, as I have said, the Church has even positively indicated Catholics can accept evolution, as recent Popes have as well.

And, I would even say, it seems to be the general direction of the Church’s magisterium and current theological tradition that, to be responsible to the truth, we ought to accept the findings of science when it comes to evolution. Remember when JPII called it “more than a hypothesis,” and when Francis affirmed that we can’t read Genesis as if God is some “magician.”
 
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And I haven’t seen any Catholic here say that Adam and Eve did not exist, nor that God is not the maker of Heaven and Earth.
 
You missed part 37 of Humani Generis which clearly states that Adam was it?There were no others. Respectfully, “faithful commentaries” don’t interest me as much as the Pope’s words in the case of HG.
 
buffalo said:
Was Galileo Wrong? Was Einstein Wrong? Axis of evil puts end to big bang cosmology. 3 satellites confirm axis of evil. And the special direction points back to our ecliptic and earht.
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I have some patience with your, and Edwest’s, quotebombs, but really an hour and a half of this is too much. I’ve managed ten minutes of bombastic self-congratulation, and won’t go on. If you think these people have something important to say, perhaps you’d like to tell us in a nutshell?
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I do not agree.
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Who cares? We Catholics follow the teachings of the Church.
catholic1seeks said:
Humani Generis, which clealy allows the possiblity for the evolution of the human body.
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edwest211:
No it doesn’t.
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Yes it does.
catholic1seeks said:
Chapter 36 of HG
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buffalo:
Which Popes?
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Pope Pius XII, obvs.
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The universe was created out of love for man, yet God used a blind unguided chance process full of death and destruction to arrive at Adam and then He infused a soul?
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What alternative do you propose? That God used a carefully thought out design of millions and millions of animals which he almost immediately destroyed? Same death and destruction, just quicker and with less necessity. It that the theology of Creationism?
Genetic entropy.
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Cool phrase. No evidence.
Theistic evolution has ruined many Catholics. It should be rebuked.
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Obstinate Creationism has turned more Christians against Christianity than any other factor. It should be repudiated.
 
Obstinate Creationism has turned more Christians against Christianity than any other factor. It should be repudiated.
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This is my main concern. The world mocks and hardly gives the Church a chance or fair read when it thinks we can’t accept the findings of science.
 
No where have I argued for the kind of polygenism that Humani Generis rebukes.

But also, when I previously referred to faithful theologians who are trying to reconcile the findings of science [biological polygenism] with Faith, they do so not by saying that humans descend from multiple sets of true humans, but rather that the biological component may have in fact descended from a population who only had a single pair of true body-soul humans, ie, Adam and Even.
 
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Obstinate Creationism has turned more Christians against Christianity than any other factor. It should be repudiated.
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And is a source of great amusement – and justification for their position – among atheists.
 
"Vienna - EVER since 1996, when Pope John Paul II said that evolution (a term he did not define) was “more than just a hypothesis,” defenders of neo-Darwinian dogma have often invoked the supposed acceptance – or at least acquiescence – of the Roman Catholic Church when they defend their theory as somehow compatible with Christian faith.

"But this is not true. The Catholic Church, while leaving to science many details about the history of life on earth, proclaims that by the light of reason the human intellect can readily and clearly discern purpose and design in the natural world, including the world of living things.

“Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense – an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection – is not. Any system of thought that denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in biology is ideology, not science.”

Published in the New York Times.

“Op-Ed Contributor Christoph Schönborn, the Roman Catholic cardinal archbishop of Vienna, was the lead editor of the official 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church.”
 
This an FSSP Homily on the fruits of evolution on human history
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  1. The effects of something do not have much to do with whether or not it is true.
  2. No one is claiming that evolution is the framework we must view our worldview. No Catholic will accept atheistic or materialistic evolution, obviously, and by definition.
 
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That is the primary reason these sorts of discussions occur here. As described in the Biology textbook, evolution is the full, complete answer. Atheists are fine with that.
 
“Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense…”
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Who is saying that evolution is not God-guided?
This is a straw man.

I’m not saying it, and I do not see others on this thread saying it.

I would take issue with the Cardinal if he is saying design disproves evolutionary processes. But he does not seem to mean this, since he admits that we may all have a common ancestor. And that is really all we are saying: That evolution means biological organisms are all connected and have evolved over time.
 
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edwest211 said:
That is the primary reason these sorts of discussions occur here. As described in the Biology textbook, evolution is the full, complete answer. Atheists are fine with that.
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That’s what textbooks should say. Public schools are not the place for religious education.
 
This place is called Catholic Answers. The full Catholic Answer will always be given.
 
Eucharistic Prayer I.

Be pleased to look upon these offerings with a serene and kindly countenance, and to accept them, as you were pleased to accept the gifts of your servant Abel the just, the sacrifice of Abraham, our father in faith, and the offering of your high priest Melchizedek, a holy sacrifice, a spotless victim.

He and his parents existed.

They weren’t apes.
 
Matthew 23:35 and so you will draw down on yourselves the blood of every upright person that has been shed on earth, from the blood of Abel the holy to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

Jesus mentions Abel here.
 
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