Any young earth creationists out there?

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At one time in the US, it was deemed OK to sterilize certain people, by the US Supreme Court. A little quote from Charles Darwin from his other book:

"The most significant book published by Charles Darwin after On the Origin of Species (1859) was The Descent of Man in 1871. Darwin saw the mechanism of natural and sexual selection as applicable to human civilization and societies. The extrapolation from Darwin’s natural selection to Herbert Spencer’s Social Darwinism was much less pronounced than is generally acknowledged.

"In The Descent of Man, Darwin writes:
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"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."
The key line from the above: It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
 
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Techno2000 said:
But it has been historically insinuated that black people are less evolved than white people…are you outraged by this ?
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What propelled that way of thinking? Evolution did. They were thought not to be as evolved as other races. There are many among us that think the same way. In fact, so many planned parenthood clinics are located in lack neighborhoods. The politicians are glad to look the other way while the blacks kill themselves off.

Catholics know we are created equal.
 
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Remember the original title of Darwin’s book:

“On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”
 
This brings up a few issues.
  1. The evolutionary formed brain is not a reliable truth detector
  2. If we have evolved why embrace Christianity?
  3. If we evolved we can take advantage of our survival fitness to exploit others.
Who would promote this view? The evil one…
 
Right now there appears to be only two scenarios for the explanation of the black race 1. They are a little bit less evolved than white people 2. Their lineage was cursed by God in Genesis… how far off am I ?
 
That’s right. The Catholic Church did not bar black people from its Churches. I read a paper that stated since children born to unwed black mothers are more likely to turn to crime and be incarcerated, it would be prudent to locate abortion clinics near poor black neighborhoods.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/home.html
 
You are free to cite various critiques of various aspects of evolution. You are free to critique and disagree with the science.

But I often feel as though you are citing things to somehow discount the conclusions from other adequate magisterial and prominent Catholic discussions on evolution.

It’s one thing to have reservations about the various scientific theories, and that’s fine. But you seem to give the impression that you’re trying to disregard the other quotes that allow for, in principle, a Catholic acceptance of evolution – and, again, even of the human body.

That is all I am trying to prove with my quotes, links, and references: A Catholic can be faithful to the teaching of the church and, at the same time, hold that the human body evolved from prior life forms, as Pius XII allowed for.

Forget monogenism and polygenism for the moment, because I’ll admit that gets a bit technical when you’re trying to reconcile faith and science (but I believe it can be done in a faithful way, to both faith and science). Do you at least accept that I, as a Catholic, can be orthodox and accept that the human body evolved over time, and that the Universe is billions of years old?

Because if you do not think I can be an orthodox Catholic and accept that the human body evolved over time, then I must stand by my quotes from Pius who says I can, from the Popes who say evolution is allowable, and from the magisterial bodies that see no problem with the fact that: “While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage” (Communion and Stewardship: Human Persons Created in the Image of God).
 
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The Pope actually said it is permissible to study but final decision rests with the Church.
 
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Has there since been a decision that closed the possibility of evolution?
 
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This type of emotional response ignores the obvious.
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Not at all. It exactly defined your position.
No, we cannot haul stars into the lab but we can certainly do that with human beings, including discovering that some human beings have Neanderthal DNA.
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Quite so. So what?
And you do not have the ability to read my mind 🙂
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True, but I do have the ability to read your posts, and unless you are playing games, your posts at least in part ought to reflect your mind.
 
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Techno2000 said:
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Genetically all modern humans are very closely related. That Europeans gradually evolved lighter skin as an adaptation to a colder, less sunny environment doesn’t mean that they are superior or more evolved…its simple an adaptation to a particular environment.
 
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Many problems…
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Only if you make them. Personally, I’ve been looking at that interbreeding idea. Not to mention the question of what a human body is. (ie could Neanderthals have been true humans or did true humans breed with non-true humans?) Questions aren’t bad. They lead to answers.
 
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buffalo:
Many problems…
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Only if you make them. Personally, I’ve been looking at that interbreeding idea. Not to mention the question of what a human body is. (ie could Neanderthals have been true humans or did true humans breed with non-true humans?) Questions aren’t bad. They lead to answers.
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Yeah… it was kinda like a sad Blade Runner scenario for all of Adam and Eve’s family and friends.
 
Thinking about that kind of gives even more weight to how great it was for them (A&E) to have each other.

"The Lord God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him.
 
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