No.Science is all. It is the source of all real knowledge. Don’t you get that
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How much dna do I share with my wife? Yet I am not a woman.
No we don’t. When Adam and Eve were created there weren’t dead animals laying around as they had just been created.
Wrong.
dragon (n.)
early 13c., from Old French dragon, from Latin draconem (nominative draco) “huge serpent, dragon,” from Greek drakon (genitive drakontos) “serpent, giant seafish,” apparently from drak-, strong aorist stem of derkesthai “to see clearly,” from PIE *derk- “to see.” Perhaps the literal sense is “the one with the (deadly) glance.”
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TheAmazingGrace
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No mention of dinosaurs in that entire post.
Love how you find the existence of dragons more plausible than adaptive changes in biology.
Love how you find the existence of dragons more plausible than adaptive changes in biology.
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Hugh_Farey
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The bible includes a lot of words variously translated as dragons, serpents or monsters, but the word for the animal that tempted Eve is clearly and unequivocally a snake.
Your DNA is almost identical to your wife. Only a tiny fraction distinguishes you from her, and from every other human.
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Richca
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Excellent point, Nelka. I have often wondered the same thing myself. This simple yet profound truth the sacred writers state simply and succinctly in the Genesis 1-2 creation narratives and throughout the whole Bible and it is precisely what I believe when I recite the first article of the Church’s profession of faith ‘I believe in God the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.’
I think you may have missed his point Hugh. For theistic evolutionists, the world or creatures (second causes) in a way ‘create’ the world and all its variety of creatures, not God directly.
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I didn’t state dragons in the modern view of them existed but Satan as the dragon or serpent.
Remember the book of Revelation?
Revelation 12:9 The great dragon, the primeval serpent, known as the devil or Satan, who had led all the world astray, was hurled down to the earth and his angels were hurled down with him.
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angel12
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You know, it is possible to deny evolution – or any science, really - without lying about those who do accept science
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TheAmazingGrace
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Not a dinosaur dude!
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Hugh_Farey
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Only the last three words make any sense. “The world or creatures (second causes) in a way ‘create’ the world” doesn’t mean anything. I think you are aiming at something like “the state of the universe today is derived entirely from previous states”, which is true; however that is not the same as thinking that the universe created itself. I think there are probably as many different flavours of ‘theistic evolution’ as there are of Creationism, but in my version God both created and sustains the universe directly.
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Without any empirical proof to boot, that is observable, repeatable and predictable.
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buffalo
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Science understands chaos and chaos systems. Chaos systems that have stable initial conditions will go out of control when small perturbations occur. (see butterfly efect)
God created the world “good”. (stable conditions) Adam and Eve by their sin caused the first perturbation and sent it into chaos. This also ties neatly as to why we are all affected by one man’s sin.
This is a much better explanation than God creating a disordered world and creating natural or human evil.
Taking this to its conclusion - what can reduce chaos? I believe God gives this power to human beings and one way is prayer and Godly behavior. In other words, we the observers (prayers) can effect the quantum world and thus the larger observable world.
Our Lady continually exhorts us to prayer in her appearances. There is a reason. It is more powerful than we know.
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You know there is a gene for maleness right?
It’s called the SRY gene.
Now back to our close genetic similarity with the apes.
This is why new drugs are often tested on animals first because there is a biological commonality.
It’s called the SRY gene.
Now back to our close genetic similarity with the apes.
This is why new drugs are often tested on animals first because there is a biological commonality.
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buffalo
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The chimp human similarity is now thought to be around 80% Even if it were higher, consider, a piano. Very similar with 88 keys. Millions of tunes can be played.
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Sarcelle
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Okay.
My response was to someone who opined that we are not animals. I agree partly with her. We are not merely animals but we are animals.
I was raised atheists but it was due to meeting scientists, mostly cellular biologists and astrophysicists, who themselves were devout Christians that I changed my mind.
Science and faith are not mutually incompatible. I agree with Pope Benedict XVI on this one.
My response was to someone who opined that we are not animals. I agree partly with her. We are not merely animals but we are animals.
I was raised atheists but it was due to meeting scientists, mostly cellular biologists and astrophysicists, who themselves were devout Christians that I changed my mind.
Science and faith are not mutually incompatible. I agree with Pope Benedict XVI on this one.
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Humans are distinctively different than animals. Evolutionary theory has tried to classify us as a highly evolved animal. Gen 1 clearly states we were not created that way and that no animal was a suitable helper for Adam and why Eve was taken from his side.
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That won’t do at all. There’s no way you can use science to excuse God’s indiscriminate extermination of the things he found so good just a short time before.
There is a quasi-miraculous theology that would allow for the introduction of death into a previously death free world. Things die. No problem. Others are born. But the animals I mentioned were not single creatures but entire orders of families. Not simply death, but the death of every single animal in an entire order, leaving not a single example behind? What kind of theology is that? A kind of justification of divine genocide?
Sorry, it won’t do for me. That’s not Catholic theology. It’s not even Christian theology.
I’ve no idea what this means. If it refers to evolution it’s wrong.
Possibly. But there’s not much we can do about trilobites…
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Hugh_Farey
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All species are distinctively different from other animals. That’s what makes them species. Evolutionary theory has tried to classify us as a highly evolved animal, and materially, at least, the Catholic Church is prepared to go along with that.
The theology of Genesis 2 is not about “helpers” for “men” either. Dear me.
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