Any young earth creationists out there?

[Hugh_Farey]

So in your view God created natural evil that results in pain, suffering and death.

Yes, of course. There was pain, suffering and death for a billion years before Adam was born.

So Eve did not come from Adam?

No. She was born too.

Common design just keeps showing up.

Doesn’t it just? Common design = common descent.

 

[Sarcelle]

Man did not evolve from apes. That much is true.

However man and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

What science cannot and should not say is if there is external intelligence behind all of the natural processes. That is beyond the pay grade of science.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

You see the thing is, Buffalo, that if we see the creative imagination of God as more of a dance than a statue, as an endless swirling of elements, combining, decomposing and recombining in a continuous kaleidoscope of beauty, we see suffering, pain and death as part of the pattern. It may be that there is some glorious climactic apotheosis to the dance, but that doesn’t mean that the time leading up to it is merely a preparation: every second is a complete and individual expression of God’s joy in mathematical coherence, and his careful consideration for every minuscule fragment of it.

The creation and destruction of a million extinct species as some kind of preparatory stage towards the invention of man seems banal and tawdry by comparison. If you want to point people to God, point them to deep space, deep time, and the sheer coherent, comprehensive majesty of the evolutionary Universe, not the tacky rabbit-out-of-a-hat cheapness of six-day literalism.

Bless us all.

 

[buffalo]

Doesn’t it just? Common design = common descent.

Common descent with variation is not an issue. Universal common descent is not proven and won’t be.

 

[buffalo]

However man and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

What proof do you offer?

 

[buffalo]

Again, the theistic evolutionist has to claim God created evil, pain and suffering as His intention. Of course, it obviates original sin too.

For the folks, you can see why macro evolution is at odds with Catholic teaching.

 

[Sarcelle]

See this.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

 

[buffalo]

Why Evolution is Different

 

[buffalo]

See this.

There is no empirical evidence here. It is the same story telling we are all familiar with.

 

[Carmel]

I like the theist evolutionist yarn about soulless humans roaming the earth, until God chose one of them to inject a soul into. The bizarre scenario is Church-approved and is exactly what many priests and bishops believe happened. I know of at least one Cardinal who doesn’t even believe Adam and Eve were real, historical people, but are “terms”.

On this issue, I am in solidarity with Bible believing Protestants. And of course, Bible believing Catholics.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

Again, the theistic evolutionist has to claim God created evil, pain and suffering as His intention.

I saw that! I saw the sneaky way you slipped in ‘evil’. Good try, but no cigar.

Of course, it obviates original sin too.

Not at all. Sin is a human characteristic. There was no sin for the first fourteen billion years of the universe.

For the folks, you can see why macro evolution is at odds with Catholic teaching.

As we have seen dozens of times above, this isn’t true. It’s some kinds of Fundamentalist Protestantism that Evolution is unacceptable to.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

Hey Carmel and Glark! Why is the book of Genesis in the Bible. Is it just a history book?

 

[buffalo]

As we have seen dozens of times above, this isn’t true. It’s some kinds of Fundamentalist Protestantism that Evolution is unacceptable to.

You flat out denied Eve coming from Adam.

 

[buffalo]

I saw that! I saw the sneaky way you slipped in ‘evil’. Good try, but no cigar.

Apes did not kill other apes for territory? Or brutes murdering other brutes for food?

The fall of the angels? Satan?

 

[Hugh_Farey]

You flat out denied Eve coming from Adam.

So? I’m not a Protestant Fundamentalist, I’m a Catholic.

Apes did not kill other apes for territory? Or brutes murdering other brutes for food?

Of course they did. Pain and suffering, yes. Evil, no.

The fall of the angels? Satan?

Have you got your theology in a twist again? A moment ago you were attributing all death, pain and suffering to Adam; then you slipped in evil, and now you want me to explain the fall of the angels for you? Have you no idea of the theology of pre-Adamic creation at all?

 

[edwest211]

There are no two right answers. Although Catholics have the option to accept either. But it should be with the full knowledge of what the Church actually tells us.

 

[Hugh_Farey]

There are no true right answers. Although Catholics have the option to accept either. But it should be with the full knowledge of what the Church actually tells us.

Of course there are true right answers. However the Catholic Church cannot be certain what they are, which is why it is ambivalent about the beliefs of its members.

 

[edwest211]

Not true. I’ve corrected my post. There are no two right answers. In this case, one is right and the other may have some fragments of truth but it is not the whole, complete answer.

 

[buffalo]

Murder is not evil?

 

[catholic1seeks]

Nope, at least, that’s not required Catholic teaching.

Not according to JPII, or Jimmy Akin, whom I asked about the rib once.

Point me to a magisterial document that says we MUST believe Eve literally, physically came from Adam. How would the sacred writer even know such a specific detail?? This mistakes the Catholic notion of inspiration. God didn’t overwhelm the sacred writers as to the point where they merely acted as robots. Ever notice how each book of the Bible has a different flavor? Even personality? Inspiration means God worked with the authors’ own experiences and culture. It’s too much to ask of the author to say that he somehow knew the scientific account of creation.