Any young earth creationists out there?

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Carmel said:
If someone wants to believe evolution and try to reconcile that with the Bible it doesn’t work.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree.
Carmel said:
It’s pseudo science and detracts from the mandate given to the apostles.
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I can’t help thinking that the *militant evolutionists would much rather lead the Church, than to follow.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree.
buffalo said:
Actually who cares what you think.
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You do. That’s why I keep posting. Your continued interest in what I say is a constant and invigorating tonic.
edwest211 said:
“Church reform” has zero to do with this topic.
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I disagree, for the reason discussed above.
buffalo said:
Moses was most likely the compiler using materials that were handed down to him.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree.
 
Moses wrote about Jesus, so Moses received, like the prophets, the words of God.

John 5:46

New International Version
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

New Living Translation
If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.

English Standard Version
For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.
 
mVitus said:
My concern is whether or not you do.
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Catholics are not robots. They are expected to use their minds, to come to conclusions. Catholics are not subjected to the ’ Thought Police ’ when they receive the Sacrament.
There is provision in the Church for mistakes being made, even at the top. So please stop giving me the Third Degree .
The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, and She (the Church ) has my trust and confidence.
Even if a Pope were in error according to Cardinal Burke there are caveats and judgements to be made, Because, his authority is constrained by Divine Law and from the inviolable Divine constitution of the Church contained in the Revelation.
 
Your statement was that a person could not reconcile the Bible and evolution. That, in my experience, is used as denigrating those of us who do as unfaithful.

I’ve said before and I’ll say again that I do recognize that Six Day creationism is allowed. My gripe comes when people falsely say evolution isn’t.
 
Perhaps, if evolutionists weren’t so strident, they might find that creation believers were not so defensive 🙂
 
Carmel said:
Perhaps, if evolutionists weren’t so strident, they might find that creation believers were not so defensive 🙂
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Evolutionists in this thread and others have bent over backwards not to deny creationists their right to believe whatever they want. There is no need whatever for Creationists, especially Young Earth Creationists, to feel defensive at all.

On the other hand Evolutionists are attacked on every hand. Their views are misrepresented, they are accused of being atheists, and their attempts to explain their beliefs ignored or ridiculed.

However, we don’t don’t feel defensive. The attacks are too feeble to need defending against.
 
XndrK said:
Again, why is it relevant, and how did Moses write down the account of his own death?
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There are several reasons put forth. But, consider, God may have told Him. Some Saints were told about their death.
 
Hugh’s post below yours is something I agree with in that. I have not really seen Creationists being accommodating to thise of us who accept evolution whereas time and time again I have seen those of us who accept evolution making clear that we recognize Six Day creationism theologically permissible, even if scientifically unsound.
 
Then why have there been years of threads about this? Why has contrary evidence been ignored? These threads will go on to infinity.
 
For the most part I’m personally done with arguing the science. It’s proved a thankless task and I am a not in awe of Rossum’s patience in the matter elsewhere. The only thing I’m still going to argue is when people falsely say evolution and faith cannot be reconciled.
 
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edwest211 said:
Then why have there been years of threads about this? Why has contrary evidence been ignored? These threads will go on to infinity.
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I think Evolution is an irritating itch that Creationists have to scratch to try to make it go away. Your mother warned you that you would only make it worse, but you didn’t listen. None of these threads have been initiated by Evolutionists; all by Creationists. Evolutionists only respond to the challenge. If you want them to go away. just stop scratching.
 
buffalo said:
Then the learning will stop. Just what you want.
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To be honest, it has been worthwhile looking at all those websites and papers you keep dredging up, and I’ve learnt various things from them. Nothing that suggests that Creationism has anything to say that even dents Evolution, but interesting nevertheless.
 
Apparently not to some creationists on here, who insist that evolution is inherently contradictory with the Faith.
 
If I could receive an honest answer from Creationists on here with regards to the following question, I think it could better advance the dialogue:

Is your adherence to creationism primarily due to your convictions based on science, or primarily because you feel creationism (6-day creation, young earth, no evolution) is the ONLY model in accord with Catholic teaching?
And just a further thought in anticipation of the answers: I think, deep down, many creationists (even on here) fear evolution because it somehow casts doubt on the Faith. Even for those creationists who admit you can be Christian/Catholic and accept evolution, there seems to be a distrust with it, precisely because their conception of the Faith is bothered by it.

Whereas, on the other hand, Christian evolutionists (i.e., my shorthand term for those of us who accept evolution, even of the human body) see no threat whatsoever with the findings of evolution. There is NO inherent contradiction between evolution on the one hand, and the reality of God’s Providence, God’s Creation, the Fall and Original Sin, the goodness of creation, Redemption, and related topics. Surely, some creationists on here DO perceive contradiction and incompatibility. But the Church’s magisterium, the theological consensus, and lay/popular ministries and organizations (Catholic Answers, blogs, EWTN, etc.) have clarified over and over again that the findings of science, even regard to evolution of species, age of the Earth, and evolution of the body, do NOT inherently pose difficulty with any Catholic dogma.

Also, I’m a bit perplexed by attempts by some on here to cite pre-Darwinian theological descriptions as a basis for a Catholic scientific view of human origins or creation. We have NO reason to expect theologians and church leaders pre-Darwin to even try to reconcile Genesis with evolution (or other scientific findings, e.g., old Earth). We should reasonably expect that, while some prominent thinkers (Augustine, Origin, Aquinas) would be fine with evolution, or a non-literalistic/scientific Genesis account, that just as many would take it for granted. Just like geocentrism: No reason to doubt Earth was center of the cosmos until data suggested otherwise. Mere assumptions can’t be taken as theological FACT.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
Is your adherence to creationism primarily due to your convictions based on science, or primarily because you feel creationism (6-day creation, young earth, no evolution) is the ONLY model in accord with Catholic teaching?
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Based on science.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Also, I’m a bit perplexed by attempts by some on here to cite pre-Darwinian theological descriptions as a basis for a Catholic scientific view of human origins or creation. We have NO reason to expect theologians and church leaders pre-Darwin to even try to reconcile Genesis with evolution (or other scientific findings, e.g., old Earth). We should reasonably expect that, while some prominent thinkers (Augustine, Origin, Aquinas) would be fine with evolution, or a non-literalistic/scientific Genesis account, that just as many would take it for granted. Just like geocentrism: No reason to doubt Earth was center of the cosmos until data suggested otherwise. Mere assumptions can’t be taken as theological FACT.
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That would mean overthrowing the protection of the Holy Spirit.
 
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