Any young earth creationists out there?

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That would mean overthrowing the protection of the Holy Spirit.
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Do you really think Francis, Benedict, JPII, or Pius XII thought that?

How do you know what it means for the Holy Spirit’s protection to be “overthrown”?

Again as I said:

…But the Church’s magisterium, the theological consensus, and lay/popular ministries and organizations (Catholic Answers, blogs, EWTN, etc.) have clarified over and over again that the findings of science, even regard to evolution of species, age of the Earth, and evolution of the body, do NOT inherently pose difficulty with any Catholic dogma.

There are limits, like monogenism, and the reality of the soul, etc. But no one is denying that on here.
 
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I don’t like labels. I don’t need creationist sources to justify anything I’m saying.
  1. Evolution as written in the Biology textbook is incomplete. I know it cannot include God. I’m not going to argue for that. What I do see in Church teaching are clearly acts of God that contradict the evolution viewpoint in the following ways:
A) Adam and Eve were two literal people who were the parents of all alive today. They had gifts given to them by God, including bodily immortality. They broke one command given to them by God and sin, Original Sin, and death entered the world.

B) Eve was not born in a conventional way. She was taken from Adam’s side while he was locked in sleep.

C) There were no other true men around when Adam was formed by God. Polygenism is right out.

D) Regardless of the idea that millions of years supposedly passed, with various catastrophes along the way, a tree and fish that had gone missing all that time were found alive in recent years. These anomalies are never addressed.

E) The materials used in dating old things rely on a number of assumptions. I am convinced that no one knows the original make-up of the earth, the volcanic resurfacing of portions of the planet and the starting amount of certain radioactive substances. If the age of the earth is in the billions of years, then these radioactive elements would have decayed away or into a more stable form over that time.

F) Halton Arp who worked with Edwin Hubble stated that he had discovered high redshift galaxies connected to low redshift galavies. The degree of redshift was proposed as a means to determine how far and fast other galaxies are moving away from us. Low redshift galaxies meant they were closer than high redshift galaxies. Even Edwin Hubble admitted that his idea about redshifts could be wrong and be a measure of something else.

Fear is the supposed reason Catholics “deny” a lot of things. That word is useless. The idea that the Biology textbook can be directly connected to Church teaching has a number of hurdles to overcome. The biggest being that God can perform miracles.
 
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There is not one thing called “evolution.” That is why the Church has been persistent that only certain kinds of evolution are allowable — e.g., atheistic materialism is obviously ruled out.

However, biological polygenism (of the human BODY) is not necessarily against monogenism, which accounts for the first true human couple, being body AND soul.
 
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Evolution as written in the Biology textbook is incomplete. I know it cannot include God. I’m not going to argue for that. What I do see in Church teaching are clearly acts of God that contradict the evolution viewpoint in the following ways.
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I don’t agree with everything you said, but I can at least affirm that there are ways of presenting evolution that are not in accord with Catholicism.

I don’t think that’s the issue. There are some people (on here) who say that biological evolution in itself (and an old Universe, etc.) somehow threatens or contradicts the Faith.

But also, I am not convinced that evolution in the biology textbook is incomplete simply because it does not deal with God. Science is science, not Faith. God is not an article of science. We are talking two different areas of knowledge. Again, God is not another “thing” in competition with other causes. It’s not as if nature did this, God must do this, nature did that, God must do this. No, nature did it all. And God did it all. God is the foundation of all reality – And he works through secondary causes.
 
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buffalo said:
There are several reasons put forth. But, consider, God may have told Him. Some Saints were told about their death.
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Note that he would have had to have been told also about what would happen after his death – not only that the Israelites mourned him for forty days in Moab, but also that Joshua would be accepted as the leader by the people.

Oh, and then there’s this:
Since then no prophet has arisen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, in all the signs and wonders the LORD sent him to perform in the land of Egypt against Pharaoh and all his servants and against all his land, and all the great might and the awesome power that Moses displayed in the sight of all Israel.
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I mean, it literally and explicitly is referencing a period of time that elapsed from Moses’ death, and what had not happened since then. 😉
 
E.g., it’s not like “I as a Catholic accept evolution” equates to every SINGLE theory or proposal or interpretation of evolution.

Case in point: The atheistic evolution of Richard Dawkins is different from, say, the accepted theistic evolution of Fr. Robert Spizter, SJ.
 
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laylow said:
Do most creationists believe in a flat earth as well?
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It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22
 
In the Latin Vulgate, the word used in place of “globe” is “gyrum,” which is translated as “circle,” and not “globe.”
 
semper_catholicus said:
In the Latin Vulgate, the word used in place of “globe” is “gyrum,” which is translated as “circle,” and not “globe.”
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It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22
Douay-Rheims Bible
 
buffalo said:
But evolution claims polygenism.
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Evolution claims polygenism of the body, as is perfectly acceptable to the Church. Some Evolutionists also claim polygenism of the soul, which is currently not acceptable to the Church.
 
Techno2000 said:
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22

Douay-Rheims Bible
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In the Latin Vulgate, the word used in place of “globe” is “gyrum,” which is translated as “circle,” and not “globe.”
 
Hope1960 said:
Please explain.
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Pope Pius XII’s Humani Generis encyclical, which has not been superseded in this respect, says that “the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that … research and discussions … take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter”. However it goes on to say that “the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God”. Later, it says: “For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents”

I take this to mean that humanity must be assumed to stem from two people only, presumably the first hominoids to be given souls, but not that those two people were necessarily created bodily from nothing. They may have had numerous antecedents of the body, but all “true men” were descended from these two.
 
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