Any young earth creationists out there?

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"36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. However, this must be done in such a way that the reasons for both opinions, that is, those favorable and those unfavorable to evolution, be weighed and judged with the necessary seriousness, moderation and measure, and provided that all are prepared to submit to the judgment of the Church, to whom Christ has given the mission of interpreting authentically the Sacred Scriptures and of defending the dogmas of faith.[11] Some however, rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question.

“37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[12]”

Adam was created. There were no other Adams.

Full document: Humani Generis (August 12, 1950) | PIUS XII
 
semper_catholicus said:
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Techno2000:
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22

Douay-Rheims Bible
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In the Latin Vulgate, the word used in place of “globe” is “gyrum,” which is translated as “circle,” and not “globe.”
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I didn’t use the Latin Vulgate, I used the Douay-Rheims Bible.
 
Hugh_Farey said:
I take this to mean that humanity must be assumed to stem from two people only, presumably the first hominoids to be given souls, but not that those two people were necessarily created bodily from nothing. They may have had numerous antecedents of the body, but all “true men” were descended from these two.
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Do we have humans among us without original sin?
 
My point is this: Isaiah 40:22 doesn’t disprove a flat earth.
 
Someone on this forum once quoted from her visions as alleging that Africans were cursed with dark skin, in contrast with the “nobler” races of Europe. I wanted to vomit. Pretty sure it was from the same creation account referenced by the poster you replied to.
There’s no proof they were even her visions.
 
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twf said:
Someone on this forum once quoted from her visions as alleging that Africans were cursed with dark skin, in contrast with the “nobler” races of Europe. I wanted to vomit. Pretty sure it was from the same creation account referenced by the poster you replied to.
There’s no proof they were even her visions.
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No, she just gave details of the curse of Ham that God did Genesis 9:20–27
 
Angel12:
It doesn’t hide it’s head in the sand and pretend we haven’t learned anything in the last thousand years, either.
God gave us brains for a reason. I’m pretty sure He expected us to use them. But you are, of course, free to disagree on that point.
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Speaking of the human brain. It is estimated that the brain is composed of 100 billion neuron cells, approximately 3 times as many glial cells, trillions upon trillions of synapse connections between the neuron cells, i.e, it is estimated that each neuron cell makes anywhere from approx. 1000-10,000 synapse connections with other neuron cells; each neuron cell contains the entire human genome or DNA which is composed of approximately 3 billion nucleotide base pairs itself composed of roughly 200 billion elemental atoms arranged in precision order; it is also postulated that the human brain can process 1 exoflop (thats 10 to the power of 18 or 1 followed by 18 zeros) calculations per second using only 12-20 watts of power or energy; a recent study has suggested that the human brain can store the entire internet in its memory.

Now, that the human brain, not to mention the rest of the human body, evolved from inanimate rocks together with blind or mindless, inanimate forces and processes of nature on earth is in my opinion beyond belief and unreasonable to say the least. I know the computer I’m using right now which is nothing in comparison to my brain didn’t come together by itself nor do I believe it is possible that the mindless forces and natural processes of nature could do it. My computer was made by intelligent humans. By the same token, I believe God immediately created and formed the first man, Adam, from the dust or clay of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, i.e, also created his spiritual soul which animates the body.

If Darwinism is true, why is there not presently life forms or simple cell forms evolving or spontaneously appearing out of the inanimate earth, rocks, or water now? Nobody has ever observed such a thing nor does it appear scientists expect too as their not out in the field day and night to see if life will spontaneously appear anywhere but they are in the lab.

I personally have never observed such a thing nor do I expect too.
Accordingly, I find it reasonable to assume and I do believe that God himself created life on earth as well as all the various plant and animal species we find. Incidentally, if life could evolve and spontaneously appear out of the earth presently, that would sort of put a blow to the evolutionary idea that all life on earth originated from one single cell life form. Also, if life did evolve out of the inanimate rocks, why should this have produced only one single cell life form and not many of them? Why only a single occurance of it? Maybe not all evolutionists are committed to the idea that all life evolved from one single celled life form but that seems to be the prevailing opinion I think.
 
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Richca said:
Speaking of the human brain. It is estimated that the brain is composed of 100 billion neuron cells, approximately 3 times as many glial cells, trillions upon trillions of synapse connections between the neuron cells, i.e, it is estimated that each neuron cell makes anywhere from approx. 1000-10,000 synapse connections with other neuron cells; each neuron cell contains the entire human genome or DNA which is composed of approximately 3 billion nucleotide base pairs itself composed of roughly 200 billion elemental atoms arranged in precision order; it is also postulated that the human brain can process 1 exoflop (thats 10 to the power of 18 or 1 followed by 18 zeros) calculations per second using only 12-20 watts of power or energy; a recent study has suggested that the human brain can store the entire internet in its memory.
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Add to that another 10 million varieties of plants and animals species, all chalked up to environmental changes. :roll_eyes:
 
It is the prevailing view. The first cell somehow upgraded itself into a multicellular organism that kept upgrading into far more complex forms, including human beings. The brain also went through this process, reducing man to a biological robot that reproduces and later dies. Our minds are the result of the same forces. Somehow, the brain developed the ability to distinguish between various things, to respond to outside stimuli, and so on. For no particular reason. That is ludicrous.
 
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By the way, a new form of DNA has been discovered, further increasing the amount of time needed for evolution, as written about here, to happen.

www.sciencedaily.com

Found: A new form of DNA in our cells

In a world first, researchers have identified a new DNA structure -- called the i-motif -- inside cells. A twisted 'knot' of DNA, the i-motif has never before been directly seen inside living cells.
www.sciencedaily.com
 
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buffalo said:
Prophecies.
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Nice try. However, in the Scriptural tradition, prophecies are expressed in certain ways. The genre of the text at the conclusion of Deuteronomy isn’t prophecy – it’s narration. 😉
 
semper_catholicus said:
Are there any young earth creationists out there? Does anyone want to discuss it?
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I am definitely opened to discussion on this topic. I am in between old and young earth creationism, but I have studied this. I wrote several articles one showing how to properly link archaeological ages with Scripture (Abraham dates about the first dynasty in Egypt) See http://www.scripturescholar.com/BibleArchaeology.htm. Along with this I have dated some of the archaeological ages e.g. the ice age in North American ended in 703B.C. in the days of Hezekiah and the ice age in Europe ended at the long day of Joshua see http://www.scripturescholar.com/JoshuasLongDay.htm. I believe the sun and earth were created on the first day but that day was long because there was thick clouds hiding the sun until the forth day. I believe the days of creation were times of thicker and less thick cloud cover and lasted fairly long maybe a thousand years each not millions or billions of years. I go with the chronology of the Septuagint (LXX) and the Samaritan Pentateuch (SP) so two witnesses verses the Massoretic Text (MT) making the current age of the earth since Adam about 7000 years see http://www.scripturescholar.com/JubileeTimetable.htm. I am also an engineer and I am not convinced that we really understand the physics of creation or the universe.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
edwest211 said:
We can learn about things that are testable and repeatable, not extrapolations that use the words “may,” “must” and “apparently.” I don’t regard knowledge without a factual basis as real knowledge
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Very, very little of evolution science entails knowing anything factual. But it delights the pride of evo-evangelists to produce elaborate smokescreens of pseudo-scientific gibberish, in order to create grand illusions of infallible knowledge.
 
Hugh_Farey said:
What I claim is that it is fairly obvious that they are a small minority of Creationists as a whole. It may be that the Creationists who post on Catholic answers are not representative of the whole, but to a man or woman, not one has shown any knowledge of Evolution.
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Your words are harsh and they crash into my fragile, egg-shell mind like lusty blows from a cricket bat, directed cranially. I admit I am not a world authority when it comes to Darwin’s “Tree of Life” hypothesis, but I do know the basics. Furthermore, I admit that there exists evidence for macroevolution that be so compelling, surely only a fool would not accept it as such - for example, it is patently obvious that submarines evolved from whales and that frogs evolved from tadpoles. Likewise, who can deny that humans embryos have fish-gills and that some astronauts have (unsurprisingly) evolved space-gills?
 
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