How has no one called you on this yet? Evangelization is crucial for Catholics. See Pope John Paull II’s Redemptoris Missio.I actually don’t believe in evangelization. Why does the Catholic Church position on having so many children stand. It is to create lots and lots of followers.
Nope, the American farmer is smarter than this propaganda gives him credit.I don’t think so. Those things are actually destroying argriculture. Watch the film and let me know what you think.
I could be on board with that, as long as there is still evangelization.Sounds romantic, but no thanks. Ag land is incredibly expensive, the work is back-breaking, and unless you plan to farm as a business - you’ll still need another job to pay your bills, insurance, and other expenses. I prefer not to be too far from a major hospital and other resources… Maybe someone could come up with a Catholic suburban town.
Can you elaborate?Nope, the American farmer is smarter than this propaganda gives him credit.
I came up with the 100 number on the assumption that’s all a person would be doing. I’ll agree that if one gets into poultry, you don’t need any cows at all. Lots of people around here do the poultry thing. You only need a minimum of 10 acres for it, a $30,000 well and about a million dollars worth of buildings and equipment. However, the integrator (buyer) will guarantee your loan for the buildings and equipment, provide the feed and give you a check for each flock less the cost of the mortgage and the feed. Normally, if you’re a good operator, you’ll make about $35,000/year for the first five to seven years. After that, you refinance your mortgage and make VERY good money. You will generate a lot of chicken manure and what they call “cake” which is manure saturated wood chips. Farmers and ranchers will buy that from you, which is good because you have to clean out and disinfect the houses after each flock to prevent disease. Turkeys work about the same way. You do need a tractor and a front-end loader.My friend with the goats also raises chickens and turkeys for sale and personal use. She is in the process of looking at cows and I’m not sure how you are coming up with the 100 number without even knowing how many people are involved.
From what I’ve heard, Ave Maria in Florida comes close.Maybe someone could come up with a Catholic suburban town.
My daughter in law was brought up in Maine. We went there for hers and my son’s wedding. I was astonished at how little farming goes on there. Of course, I guess the growing season isn’t very long and it seems a good part of the state is composed of very steep hills with narrow valleys in between. She told me there used to be local farmers who would sell milk and eggs and such to people, but they have pretty much gotten old and quit.I live in a rural area up in Maine and it seems that I see more and more people who are getting into this. Not full on homesteading but just trying to be more self sufficient. Almost every other house I drive by has chickens in the yard, if not some other kind of live stock, and I just got some hens myself. I would love to live “off the grid” but like someone already said its crazy expensive. I have a deep well and I just kind of half heartedly looked into getting a pump put in where I could manually pump water for when the power goes out and it costs thousands of dollars. I also tried cutting my own firewood a couple years ago. I think my back is still sore. Good luck to you though I hope you do it!
I think that’s very much correct. Now and then I see some of their ads, and I’m guessing it’s an overwhelmingly Catholic place to live. I think it’s mostly a retirement town, though there are shops and restaurants and places where people might find a job. Well, and the university is there, and undoubtedly there are jobs there too.From what I’ve heard, Ave Maria in Florida comes close.
But is this truly a just reason to withdraw from society in such a fashion as the one you have proposed in the previous pages?The economy is tanking. We (Americans) are on the verge of a major economic collapse. For the very conservative, traditional members of this forum, I know how you feel about Obama’s aggression against Catholics and Christians. Imagine him or Hillary making some deal with the People’s Republic of China…
What’s your idea?But is this truly a just reason to withdraw from society in such a fashion as the one you have proposed in the previous pages?
I’m all for making a ‘catholic city’ but honestly if your going to make a secular cloisitor I’ll be the first in line to see it destroyed as legally as possible.I’m just telling you guys, if things keep going in this direction, things are going to be a cesspool.
As for whoever said something about the Federal government and healthcare, and land rights, I personally believe that the country is too unstable to continue maintaining this huge Federal government that the Bush and Obama administration created, and all that will render obsolete. I also believe that the US will make some deal with Chinese corporate elites, and our markets will be completely controlled by them.
Imagine that kind of society. People’s Republic of China meets American postmodern secularism.
Basically there should be a small Catholic self-governing sovereign state in America, within the next 15 to 20 years.
My idea, even though you didn’t answer my question, is to grow in greater holiness. Hearken back to the good Father Peyton and sanctify the family. The family is the foundation of evangelization; a notion with which I am sure you agree. Individuals must grow in holiness and love for our God and our country. We must be loyal Americans by being Faithful Catholics. This is no easy task, but it will bare more positive fruits than to subscribe to a defeatist approach and resign into the shadows of society and surrender to a life unfit for a civilized people: a life of fear.What’s your idea?
This is not a traditional lifestyle for most traditions. Most of us would rather live in the world than retreat from it.Come on guys!
Sore backs? Butchering animals is nasty? That’s what you guys are afraid of???
I would expect people with traditionalist beliefs would have no problem with traditionalist lifestyles.
The food we survive off of doesn’t come from nowhere. Someone’s got to do all this stuff.
The economy is tanking. We (Americans) are on the verge of a major economic collapse. For the very conservative, traditional members of this forum, I know how you feel about Obama’s aggression against Catholics and Christians. Imagine him or Hillary making some deal with the People’s Republic of China…
Uh, I think what you’re not getting is that very few people have the startup capital or the desire to leave society and “live off the land” (or whatever the rustically romantic plan is.) Why would conservative Catholics want to live like that any more than anyone else? And why would they have the funds to do so any more than anyone else? Frankly, I’d miss my extended family desperately and would probably be bacj in town after 6 months of idyllic homesteading turned into a miserable money sucker.Come on guys!
Sore backs? Butchering animals is nasty? That’s what you guys are afraid of???
I would expect people with traditionalist beliefs would have no problem with traditionalist lifestyles.
The food we survive off of doesn’t come from nowhere. Someone’s got to do all this stuff.
The economy is tanking. We (Americans) are on the verge of a major economic collapse. For the very conservative, traditional members of this forum, I know how you feel about Obama’s aggression against Catholics and Christians. Imagine him or Hillary making some deal with the People’s Republic of China…
The figures you are talking about are for the factory chicken mills. That’s almost the exact opposite of what the OP and I are talking about. You seem to be writing about an attempted capitalist venture…we are talking about homesteading. These are completely different in almost every single way. We are talking about working outside of the mainstream system, not becoming a part of the corruption you speak of.I came up with the 100 number on the assumption that’s all a person would be doing. I’ll agree that if one gets into poultry, you don’t need any cows at all. Lots of people around here do the poultry thing. You only need a minimum of 10 acres for it, a $30,000 well and about a million dollars worth of buildings and equipment. However, the integrator (buyer) will guarantee your loan for the buildings and equipment, provide the feed and give you a check for each flock less the cost of the mortgage and the feed. Normally, if you’re a good operator, you’ll make about $35,000/year for the first five to seven years. After that, you refinance your mortgage and make VERY good money. You will generate a lot of chicken manure and what they call “cake” which is manure saturated wood chips. Farmers and ranchers will buy that from you, which is good because you have to clean out and disinfect the houses after each flock to prevent disease. Turkeys work about the same way. You do need a tractor and a front-end loader.
Back to the 100 number. I started to detail how you could maybe make about $35,000/year with that number if you are in the right place (a long story by itself) and own both your land and your cows. But it grew too big for this post, so I deleted all of that. If you don’t own your own cows and are not in the right area, it will take you seven years to break even no matter how many or how few you have, if they’re good stock. A lot of poultry folks around here do both poultry and beef, and use the proceeds of the beef operation to pay off the “rest of the land” mortgage. There is usually some amount of “inter-generational help” with all of that.
Of course, if you don’t care whether you make a living wage or not, or have supplemental income or have some specialty and people nearby who will buy it for a lot more than they can buy it for in the store, it’s different. Some people make that work. But I think you would have to be selling to city folk. Around here, for instance, so many people raise egg-laying chickens they often give them away during peak laying times. And those are “organic” eggs. Just outside a wealthy suburb might be quite different. Probably is.