Anybody out there "pro-choice"?

[orignal]

If someone decides that, for whatever reason, I have forfeited my privilege to live, and they are driven to take action, they will take action, no matter what I say or you say or the law says. If they are apprehended (because they will have broken the law that currently exists prohibiting the taking of a life if not in self-defense) then they will have consequences to pay.

Should they be allowed to? They are allowed to, by virtue of free will. Free will does not demand sound choice. God would likely be more “pleased” if we all chose the high road, but we don’t all do that all the time. But if an individual commits murder and is taken into custody, s/he will go through the system and pay the consequences.

Abortion is not illegal at this time.

Limerick

I presume you are either not a Catholic or have a serious misunderstanding regarding the teachings of the Church. Nobody ‘forfeits’ their right to live based on the disgression of others human beings. A persons worth cannot be decided by society, no can it be devalued to serve the whims of those who choose murder to escape the responsibility that follows the conception of an embryonic human.

People are not allowed to do whatever they want by ‘virtue of free will’. Your statement presumes we have/or should have a completely pluralistic society. Keeping people from hurting themselves or others is in fact a responsibility of law enforcement - one of the duties of our government (to protect the people). And yes, protection can include stopping/preventing someone from killing another human being before they actually do it. Our law enforcement system is not just an ‘act then react’ system, much of the protections we enjoy as US citizens is due to the fact that people who are bent on doing harm are stoped before they carry it out. If you don’t like this of think this is just another Catholic trying to ‘impose his beliefs on me’ I would recommend the following article by Fr. Tad Pacholcz:
ncbcenter.org/FrTad_MSOOB_3.asp

 

[Eddie_Mac]

Testy? You don’t seem very forgiving. Maybe you’re the one who needs therapy.

L

My dear, I am not testy.

You have not done anything to me for me to have to forgive you.

Just the facts. I told you twice.

I see no point in using winky smileys in a serious discussion about choosing to kill babies.

I have been to therapy in the past…several times.

Eddie Mac

 

[limerick]

Can we argue against what? The reality that abortion is a sick practice? I recently asked my pharmacist if their pharmacy filled prescriptions for the B pill, the morning after the oops night before pill. He disgustedly said they do. He also said he had one woman who has gotten a prescription for the pill five times. Gee, I am so happy she has an out.

Post number 729: * “Yes. That is the point of abortion, a routine medical procedure. Nearly zero percent survival rate, and nearly one hundred percent effective.”* ~ Limerick

My question: Can you argue against the numbers? NO argument with regard to the im/morality of the act in this post. Just the numbers.

Can you argue that these numbers are inaccurate? Yes? Or no?

Limerick

 

[limerick]

Bitterness and sarcasm do not change the truth one whit: the unborn baby is a life unto its own, and neither you, nor anyone else, has a moral ‘right’ to murder it, much as you would wish otherwise.

**I don’t have to “wish”. The law is the law.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

I see, so babies get no choice. That means anything goes.

**July 1, 2009: All across the United States, as law is written today, and insofar as abortion is concerned, yes: anything goes.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

The baby gets no choice and no protection. You can see if you choose to see.

**I see that and I concede the point. That is the current reality.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

And if the father wants no abortion and the mother does, what happens? Who gets the “choice”?**

Who can run faster? Who has a better support network? Who is willing to go to any lengths to get the job done, whichever job they choose?**

Just like slavery. Basically, you are for “choice” for one person only. We are talking about life or death.

**I am for choice. I am for communication. I am for negotiation. I am primarily for men to keep their pants zipped and women to quit flirting with reproductive disaster. I **can’t make them act right. They need to apply their own morals. Some are stringent, some are careful. Mostly, people of reproductive age are selfish and self-centered.

Limerick

 

[teak421]

If someone decides that, for whatever reason, I have forfeited my privilege to live, and they are driven to take action, they will take action, no matter what I say or you say or the law says. If they are apprehended (because they will have broken the law that currently exists prohibiting the taking of a life if not in self-defense) then they will have consequences to pay.

Should they be allowed to? They are allowed to, by virtue of free will. Free will does not demand sound choice. God would likely be more “pleased” if we all chose the high road, but we don’t all do that all the time. But if an individual commits murder and is taken into custody, s/he will go through the system and pay the consequences.

Abortion is not illegal at this time.

Limerick

Yes, abortion is not illegal. But does it violate God’s law?

• Michael

PS: Late into the discussion, if you have answered, forgive me.

 

[teak421]

**
Once again: we are talking about a fetus here. Before birth: fetus. After birth: baby. And yes, because it is unable to cast a vote on the subject, the “baby” gets no choice, not at this time in history, anyway.
Limerick**

As soon as conception occurs, what are the only two possible NATURAL outcomes?

• Michael

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

**I don’t have to “wish”. The law is the law.

Limerick**

The ‘law,’ which should never have been written (as you might know if you researched Roe v. Wade), is still wrong and immoral.

 

[fix]

**July 1, 2009: All across the United States, as law is written today, and insofar as abortion is concerned, yes: anything goes.

Limerick**

Yes, so claiming “pro choice” is really pro abortion. Finally we agree.

 

[royal_archer]

If someone decides that, for whatever reason, I have forfeited my privilege to live, and they are driven to take action, they will take action, no matter what I say or you say or the law says. If they are apprehended (because they will have broken the law that currently exists prohibiting the taking of a life if not in self-defense) then they will have consequences to pay.

Should they be allowed to? They are allowed to, by virtue of free will. Free will does not demand sound choice. God would likely be more “pleased” if we all chose the high road, but we don’t all do that all the time. But if an individual commits murder and is taken into custody, s/he will go through the system and pay the consequences.

Abortion is not illegal at this time.

Limerick

So what makes you think you have more of a right to live than these innocent children?

 

[GodLovesTheSpek]

Death entered the world through a Lie. More Lies, more Death. The short-sighted Lie of Abortion promises a quick fix to imagined problems. It reneges on that promise. It ensnares and enslaves trapping those in a false so-called “choice”, so-called “freedom”. In the long-sighted, unending Truth it murderers those who might live and serve the Lord. Since we are our brothers and sisters keepers, those who might have lived and help save those who are fallen are snuffed out – witnesses to The Truth silenced on Earth by our own hands.

And we wonder why things are so wrong – why so many people live lives outside the Truth risking themselves and all they influence. Their way is the way of Death.

Abortion has not nor will ever, solve any problem. Abortion is sadness, despair and ruin.

 

[CMP2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceciliatherese
newborn babies aren’t able to make choices either. they’re not developed enough yet.

And yet the law protects them. For now, anyway.

CMP2 This also could change. There is a Pro Choice movement to make law the right for a parent to decide on the fate of her newborn up to the age of 3 mos. The reasoning? Just in case there is a genetic malformation that could not be seen on ultrasound or through current testing in utero. So soon we may be murdering infants way beyond the uterus. Why not? It is all the same anyway. No? 1- 12 hrs. (the morning after pill), 6 wks. gestation, 20 weeks, 3 mos., 1 yr. 60 yrs., 80 yrs. Life is life.

Can we ever justify murder for any reason what so ever. Hitler did, but can we?

 

[royal_archer]

The ‘law,’ which should never have been written (as you might know if you researched Roe v. Wade), is still wrong and immoral.

Actually that is not the “law” congress passes laws and the constitution is updated through a rigorous process. Row vs Wade was a few unelected individuals making things up as they went along. While the decision may have the effect of law, it is not a law.

 

[teak421]

Actually that is not the “law” congress passes laws and the constitution is updated through a rigorous process. Row vs Wade was a few unelected individuals making things up as they went along. While the decision may have the effect of law, it is not a law.

I would have preferred the folks who agree with Abortion to use the amendment process… Maximum democracy! It worked for other important social issues.

• Michael

 

[limerick]

Yes, abortion is not illegal. But does it violate God’s law?

• Michael

PS: Late into the discussion, if you have answered, forgive me.

**There were 782 opinions posted before yours. I would say your answer is in there somewhere.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

The ‘law,’ which should never have been written (as you might know if you researched Roe v. Wade), is still wrong and immoral.

**Yet, it stands.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

As soon as conception occurs, what are the only two possible NATURAL outcomes?

• Michael

**Duhhh . . . I’ll take Life Is Good or Pine Box Blues for 1000, Alex.

L**

 

[limerick]

Yes, so claiming “pro choice” is really pro abortion. Finally we agree.

**Explain how you gleaned this chestnut from my post, please. Just because anything goes does not mean choice equals abortion each and every time the decision is to be made. Get real.

Limerick**