Anybody out there "pro-choice"?

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NCSue said:
If so, perhaps you can explain something to me. (Understand that I’m gonna be hard to convince… I’m pro-life in every circumstance…)

Can you please clear up a mystery for me, and tell me what makes sense about this?
acts17verse28.blogspot.com/2009/05/wheres-sense-in-that.html.
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Let me say first off I am coming to this post way into the discussion. My point may have long been made. We need to change our language.

I am a pro-choice Catholic. I choose everything I do. I choose to sin…I choose not to…I choose to follow the Ten Commandments…I choose to strive to grow in holiness…I choose to ~ continue to name what it takes to attain heaven.

I am anti-abortion. That is a more accurate statement of my belief of life. I believe in the dignity of human life from the moment of conception to the moment of natural death.

I believe we need to do away with the terminology of “pro-life” and “pro-choice” and name them what they are…anti-abortion and pro-abortion.
 
Palm_Tree said:
Yeah, you do sound like you are in favor of not having any laws making murder illegal. You sound like that you believe anybody should be allowed to kill anybody whenever they choose, and that we shouldn’t make laws to prevent that. We should just leave it between the murderers and God.

If you believe that life begins at conception, that means that you believe that abortion is murder… that every abortion is the intentional taking of a human life.

Like I said above, usually pro-choice people don’t believe that life begins until some point after the abortion, and that the abortion isn’t actually taking a human life, and hence it isn’t murder, it isn’t the intentional taking of a human life.

But if a pro-choice person believes that life begins at contraception, they are pro-murder. They are in favor of allowing people to legally have the choice to intentionally take a human life, which is what murder is.
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Life does not begin at contraception. Contraception is what prevents conception
 
Eddie_Mac said:
Except from the unborn’s point of view based on your warped sense of reasoning.

Eddie Mac
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I’m not killing anybody. This is just a debate - a constructive exchange of ideas and information.
 
Shredderbeam said:
I’m not killing anybody. This is just a debate - a constructive exchange of ideas and information.
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Shredder, you have to understand that for the most part these folks don’t grasp the difference between constructive exchange of ideas. That would require an open mind and you’ll find very little of that in this thread.
 
ntenaglia said:
Shredder, you have to understand that for the most part these folks don’t grasp the difference between constructive exchange of ideas. That would require an open mind and you’ll find very little of that in this thread.
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If you expect anybody to be open-minded enough to accept your belief that the laws should allow anybody to freely kill whoever they want to, that’s a bit of stretch.
 
ntenaglia said:
Are you out demonstrating at crack houses? Brothels? Are you so vocal and attacking nursing homes that abuse the elderly? Probably not, because drug addicts and the elderly aren’t that cute. So you choose babies because they’re all cute.
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Crack houses and abuse of the elderly are illegal in all 50 states. No reason to protest, just call the cops. As for brothels, they are illegal in 49 states (all but Nevada). If you live in one of the 49 states where brothels are illegal, there is no reason to protest them, just call the cops. As for abortion clinics, they aren’t illegal in any state.
 
ntenaglia said:
Look, we’re talking about two different issues. You’re talking about a child resulting from a full-term pregnancy able to sustain life outside the womb. I’m talking first trimester, not condoning late term or live-birth abortion.
What you’re talking about makes no sense to me.

You keep talking about killing 8-year -old boys which makes me think you must have one who is getting on your last nerve.
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I can tell you that a first trimester child is every much a child. I delivered one. My son fit in my hand. He looked like his father. His fingers and toes were perfectly made. He was very much a little boy. The only difference between my first trimester son and my then six year old son was their size. I love both my boys. Life begins at conception. I am a mother from the moment I conceive that child. Mary knew that from the moment she conceived Jesus. He was poor and ended up abused beyond any other. His death was horrible. Are you saying maybe he should have been aborted to avoid his crucifixion? You like to defocus and attempt to make matters complicated when they simply are not. Killing is killing no matter how small the child is.
 
ntenaglia said:
In my own case I would say that it begins at conception because I have with the exception of the first used contraception to prevent conception. But you see that’s where the choice part comes in. I can make decisions for me. If I screw up and **** off God, then that’s between me and God at the end of my life. Sorry, I didn’t see the question in your previous posts. We’re not that far off, just that I make decisions for myself and my soul and you make decisions for others.
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How is an innocent child going to have a say if someone doesn’t stand up for him or her? Sorry baby you get the shaft because we can’t here you. Baby, your mother decided what she wanted was more important than giving you life.
 
ntenaglia said:
Shredder, you have to understand that for the most part these folks don’t grasp the difference between constructive exchange of ideas. That would require an open mind and you’ll find very little of that in this thread.
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Open mindedness if often confused with twisting facts. Many people on this thread have informed their conscience and defend truth. That shouldn’t be mistaken for closed mindedness. That is courageous!
 
We are all pro-choice. We choose right or we choose wrong. That’s a bad terminology since we are all given free will. Everyone has the free will to choose life or death. This should be your deciding factor:

***Jeremiah 1:5: Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Psalm 139:13-16: For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be***

If someone reads this and can still say they are ‘pro-choice’ b/k/a pro-abortion, then all I can say is God have mercy on them.

There is no option here. You either obey God’s Word or you don’t. Your choice.:bible1:
 
Hislittlelady said:
We are all pro-choice. We choose right or we choose wrong. That’s a bad terminology since we are all given free will. Everyone has the free will to choose life or death. This should be your deciding factor:

***Jeremiah 1:5: Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Psalm 139:13-16: For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be***

If someone reads this and can still say they are ‘pro-choice’ b/k/a pro-abortion, then all I can say is God have mercy on them.

There is no option here. You either obey God’s Word or you don’t. Your choice.:bible1:
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AMEN!
 
Shredderbeam said:
I’m not killing anybody. This is just a debate - a constructive exchange of ideas and information.
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Debate requires reason.

There is never any reason to kill any unborn child.

There is nothing constructive about justification of murder.

Eddie Mac
 
ntenaglia said:
Shredder, you have to understand that for the most part these folks don’t grasp the difference between constructive exchange of ideas. That would require an open mind and you’ll find very little of that in this thread.
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I just don’t like seeing debates degenerate into mud-slinging contests. 😦
Eddie_Mac said:
Debate requires reason.

There is never any reason to kill any unborn child.

There is nothing constructive about justification of murder.

Eddie Mac
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I’m not killing an unborn child, I’m debating whether it’s right for others to do it. I’d like to continue the debate, but only if it can stay as a debate, and not an insult match.
 
anyone having an abortion…murdering the developing baby should be forced to do community service…maybe work in an adoption agency etc…she did wrong and should be punished…maybe after a second abortion she should be spaded…seriously…pro-choice means many things…we are NOT pro-choce in education are we…rotten local public schools and if a family wished to take their children out and send them to the Catholic school the tuition is too much…why cant the choice angle be used for this approach also…no public school taxes if the family sends its kids to a private school,the money for the tuition is theres…income tax we calls it…yeh sure right…makes sense so it wont get support…N
 
ntenaglia said:
Again, pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. It means pro-adoption, pro-birth, as well as pro-abortion. So, you are advocating children brought in this world to be raped, abused, exploited for others’ financial gain?
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Again, pro choice means pro abortion. Pro choice on rape is pro rape. Pro choice on slavery is pro slavery, pro choice on genocide is pro genocide.
 
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