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kristanl
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Just wondering if theres anyone that is interested in converting,… but doesnt know where to start, or still has questions that need to be answered? What are reasons you want to convert? Thanks!
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Christ_Imitator
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I believe that the Holy Spirit leads you in the way that God has planned for your life.
I haven’t been lead towards Catholicism. I don’t really want to be affiliated with a specific denomination though. Maybe Non-denominational would be good?
Do you think that people should convert to Catholicism? What if they convert to become a Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, United Bretheran, ect?
Do you believe there’s anything wrong with that?
I am just wondering…
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I haven’t been lead towards Catholicism. I don’t really want to be affiliated with a specific denomination though. Maybe Non-denominational would be good?
Do you think that people should convert to Catholicism? What if they convert to become a Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, United Bretheran, ect?
Do you believe there’s anything wrong with that?
I am just wondering…
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JMJ_coder
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Yes, I think everyone should convert to the Church that has the absolute fullness of divinely revealed truth – that is the Catholic Church.
Depends on where they are converting from. In my mind, there is little practical difference in converting from, say, Lutheran to Presbyterian or Methodist. If a Lutheran converted to Mormonism or Universalism, I would see that as going in the wrong direction. If a Mormon converted to Lutheranism, I would see that as a least a step in the right direction. If a Catholic converted to Protestantism, they would be guilty of formal heresy (assuming they were properly catechized).
Protestants are material heretics, and I pray for there conversion daily.
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mswood
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I am converting, or more acurately becoming catholic, since I have never been baptized I don’t consider myself a convert.
I don’t really have any questions right now, the parish I have been attending mass at has been very helpful and my RCIA classes begin on Aug. 19. I have done alot of self study and research about the catholic church and I am really looking forward to learning more about the faith as part of the RCIA.
I don’t really have any questions right now, the parish I have been attending mass at has been very helpful and my RCIA classes begin on Aug. 19. I have done alot of self study and research about the catholic church and I am really looking forward to learning more about the faith as part of the RCIA.
I thought I was for a while. I’m more interested in corporate reconciliation, also taking some time to understand Orthodoxy better. That’s not to say I’m not blessed by the Holy Spirit where I am. I’m very blessed.
It would be a significant difference, particularly to Presbyterian. Speaking only for me, I would probably be Catholic or Orthodox before most any other Protestant tradition, with the exception of Anglican.
My understanding is that to be a heretic, one must have previously been Catholic, that those of us born into Protestant Chuches cannot be charged in such a way. Nevertheless, I appreciate your prayers.
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JMJ_coder
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That is why I said from my mind I don’t see the significant difference. Your prospective and mileage may vary.
Of course, the differences between various Protestant groups is fodder for another thread (or a hundred)
That is why I differentiate between formal and material heresy. I think Saint Thomas in his Summa (Second Part, I think) gives good coverage of the distinctions and degrees of heresy.
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NoWings
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I would seriously entertain the idea were it not for A) At least one teaching that I’ll never be able to square myself with, and B) Another teaching that would probably prove problematic as well. I don’t really believe in so-called “cafeteria Catholicism”. If you’re going to do it, do it all the way or not at all.
Kudos to those that can.
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JMJ_coder
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What teachings are A and B?
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kristanl
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Yay! Welcome Home!
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kristanl
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What do you find a big difference when you say particularly to Presbyterian? Just a question, if you are Lutheran and then you said you would probably be Catholic or Orthodox before other Protestant religions- then what makes you not convert to Catholicism?
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1edyson
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I completely support and agree with this statement. Very well said.
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Angel7
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The Catholic Church is the True Original Church built by Jesus on Peter, To be led by Peter on earth (the successors of Peter are the Popes)I believe that the Holy Spirit leads you in the way that God has planned for your life.
I haven’t been lead towards Catholicism. I don’t really want to be affiliated with a specific denomination though. Maybe Non-denominational would be good?
Do you think that people should convert to Catholicism? What if they convert to become a Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, United Bretheran, ect?
Do you believe there’s anything wrong with that?
I am just wondering…
The Catholic Church is also more stable in Doctrine then other Denominations.
The Eastern Orthodoxy has the
Tradition
Scripture
2 pillars to support them(Notice how the Orthodocy has some seperate branches)
Protestants base everything on Sola scriptura (bible only)
They have only one pillar.
Scripture.
Notice how with only 1 pillar as a foundation the Protestants have over 2,000 denominations.
The Catholic Church (Catholic = Universal)
Is 1 united Church (Latin and Eastern Rites)
The Pillars that support it are
Magesterium (The pope, and those in the Vatican that decide on Dogma, Lead by the Holy Spirit it will not fall into Doctrinal Error, thus it can Interpret Scripture correctly)
Tradition (the Trinity, and other Church Doctrines, such Mary being Mother of G-d, are not found in Scripture, so you need Tradition)
Scripture (the basic pillar)
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emarc
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Will pray for your discernment and touch of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
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NoWings
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B would be the non-recognition of divorce. Seeing as how I’ve never been baptised and my ex-wife was never baptised either, it may fall under the Pauline or Petrine privilege. Then again, I’m not even close to being an expert on canonical Catholic marriage. An example of how this could be negative would be a woman in an abusive relationship that has five children that are also being abused that may be uneducated or have a low-paying job. Does she leave him to fend for herself and her kids alone with no father, or does she ride it out because they’re sacramentally bound?
A would be the teaching on contraception. After reading one the Ask an Apologist answers on this site, I’ll never be Catholic. I can’t go into great detail because that would involve the business of another which would violate their privacy.
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Hesychios
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Hello Angel,
Finally, the penchant to propose and adopt new dogmas is particularly disturbing. None of this lends itself to stability in doctrine. This also stimulates division and dissension as members either leave or conceal their doubts in the cafeteria.
There are no ‘branches’ of Orthodoxy. Either one is Orthodox or one is not, no in between and no shades of grey.
However, the western rite Orthodox have come of their own free will, under no coercion or political pressure. They are not the children of scandal or repression, and the Orthodox church never attempted to exploit divisions in the western church to it’s own advantage, although there were many opportunities to do so.
What we pray for is the return of the entire western church to the unity of Faith it’s ancestors and predecessors once shared with Holy Orthodoxy.
We have no desire to take over the western church, simply to see it return to communion with us in Faith and Love.
In fact, the one specific demand Holy Orthodoxy makes is conformity in doctrine, which is why Roman Catholics are not allowed to commune in Orthodox Divine Liturgies.
The Roman Catholic church is not so particular.
The canons of which are still studied and applicable in the Orthodox church.
This has yet to be proven. The phenomenon of cafeteria Catholicism is a huge problem. Also is the indifference the Latin Catholic church shows when allowing PNCC and Orthodox to receive communion, although they do not believe all of the Roman Catholic dogmas (while condemning it’s own members for the same).
Finally, the penchant to propose and adopt new dogmas is particularly disturbing. None of this lends itself to stability in doctrine. This also stimulates division and dissension as members either leave or conceal their doubts in the cafeteria.
You clearly are still learning about Holy Orthodoxy.
There are no ‘branches’ of Orthodoxy. Either one is Orthodox or one is not, no in between and no shades of grey.
Holy Orthodoxy also has Western and Eastern rites.
However, the western rite Orthodox have come of their own free will, under no coercion or political pressure. They are not the children of scandal or repression, and the Orthodox church never attempted to exploit divisions in the western church to it’s own advantage, although there were many opportunities to do so.
What we pray for is the return of the entire western church to the unity of Faith it’s ancestors and predecessors once shared with Holy Orthodoxy.
We have no desire to take over the western church, simply to see it return to communion with us in Faith and Love.
Holy Orthodoxy has the Magisterium. It is the teaching authority of the church, although we would not necessarily use a Latin word to describe it.
In fact, the one specific demand Holy Orthodoxy makes is conformity in doctrine, which is why Roman Catholics are not allowed to commune in Orthodox Divine Liturgies.
The Roman Catholic church is not so particular.
What you need is the seven Councils of the Fathers.
The canons of which are still studied and applicable in the Orthodox church.
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Christ_Imitator
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I’m sure you people on here who call yourself Catholics understand that there are many types of Catholic Churches, like there are many portestant denominations.
I’ve heard: “There is only one Catholic Church, but it has various branches or rites.”
In the opinion of the Catholics here: Are all Catholic Churches “better” than any protestant Church?
I am also wondering (especially from some of you Orthodox/Conservative Catholics)
What you think about the Liberal Catholic Church?
I’ve heard: “There is only one Catholic Church, but it has various branches or rites.”
In the opinion of the Catholics here: Are all Catholic Churches “better” than any protestant Church?
I am also wondering (especially from some of you Orthodox/Conservative Catholics)
What you think about the Liberal Catholic Church?
Presbyterians are part of the Calvinist, reformed part of the Protestantism. While they are brothers and sisters in Christ, they view the sacraments differently, they believe in a more symbolic presence in the Eucharist, double predestination, and limited atonement.
What makes me not convert to Orthodoxy, too? My comment was more of a choice thing - “if I had to choose, I would be Catholic or Orthodox before reformed or Baptist”. And some of the above issues answer that question, especially the Eucharist. Transubstantiation is much more palatable (to me) than symbolic or spiritual presence.
The more direct answer is there are parts of Catholic Doctrine that I am not yet reconciled to - papal primacy, and purgatory being two. I also believe in the desirability of corporate reconciliation. I’ll be very interested in seeing what happens with the TAC (Traditional Anglican Church), and the ALCC (Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church), for example, both of whom have petitioned Rome for full communion.
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historyb
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I would hope no one converts to something that is false.
I don’t think that was the question, so you are, again, off topic.
For the record, I would not be reformed for the reasons I posted before, not because you represent the reformed movement so poorly here.
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JMJ_coder
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The Church understands that there are extraordinary circumstances where a civil divorce may be necessary in order to protect a spouse and/or children. Yet, even so they are still married – the sacramental bond lasts “'til death do us part”. Therefore, what is condemned is when one of the spouses attempts to become remarried, for the Church there sees that as an act of adultery (a grave sin).
I respect your desire to protect yours and/or a friends privacy, so all I’ll say here is that the Church’s teaching on this is rooted in the nature of marriage and the dignity of persons. If you wish I can link you to references that go indepth with this.
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