Anyone else believe in universal coverage for kids?

[neillennon]

neillennon;4088351:

No its free at the point of treatment which means that everyone pays there tax’s and then we pay for the health service.

Your right about the land tho most of it is public property.

The doctors and nurses are given a free education and are supported by the tax pay through it, although they don’t work for nothing, they wouldn’t be doctors if it wasn’t for the people they treat.

So then it’s not free, it’s just that somebody else is paying for it.

Yeah i suppose it is, does that make it right tho?

 

[Skip_Wiley]

The doctors and nurses are given a free education and are supported by the tax pay through it,

If they’re supported by taxes, then it’s not a free education. That just means that they’re mooching off of other people.

Yeah i suppose it is, does that make it right tho?

What’s wrong with a business making a profit?

 

[Fitswimmer]

If they’re supported by taxes, then it’s not a free education. That just means that they’re mooching off of other people.

What’s wrong with a business making a profit?

It’s not “mooching” if they’re going to spend their lives taking care of those same people.

Nothing’s wrong with profit at all, until it becomes the primary goal and the end justifies the means to maximize it. What’s wrong with people making a profit AND still helping people? I haven’t heard any reports of medical professionals starving in other industrialized nations.

 

[neillennon]

If they’re supported by taxes, then it’s not a free education. That just means that they’re mooching off of other people.

What’s wrong with a business making a profit?

Nothing as long as they are charging a fair price and not putting the profit before people, since people are infinity more important than money.

they are hardly mooching if they are using there talents to go and help people with there education and pay tax to put others through the same system.

 

[thomfra]

If they’re supported by taxes, then it’s not a free education. That just means that they’re mooching off of other people.

Did you ever go to school Skip?

Did you ever drive on a road?

Did you see yourself as “mooching” because it was payed for by the tax payer?

 

[Skip_Wiley]

Nothing as long as they are charging a fair price and not putting the profit before people, since people are infinity more important than money.

I disagree. Charities are for charitable work. Businesses are for making money.

they are hardly mooching if they are using there talents to go and help people with there education and pay tax to put others through the same system.

How much of their tuition do they pay back with the large amounts of money they make as a result of the money they’ve mooched off of others?

 

[Fitswimmer]

I disagree. Charities are for charitable work. Businesses are for making money.

How much of their tuition do they pay back with the large amounts of money they make as a result of the money they’ve mooched off of others?

So business should operate with no restraints and CEO’s can do whatever they want? There is no such thing as business ethics in your view because all that matters is making money?

They are “paying it forward”. They received their education from taxes paid by citizens before them, now they pay taxes to help others. It’s a simple concept really.

 

[Skip_Wiley]

So business should operate with no restraints and CEO’s can do whatever they want?

Within the law, yes.

There is no such thing as business ethics in your view because all that matters is making money?

No, making a profit does not negate ethics.

They are “paying it forward”. They received their education from taxes paid by citizens before them, now they pay taxes to help others. It’s a simple concept really.

No, “paying it forward” would be doing it pro bono. They receive a hefty compensation for their work.

I think it’s funny that when drug companies make money, you say that they’re greedy and don’t care about people, but when doctors make money, they’re just poor servants trying to serve mankind.

Go ahead and take away their paychecks and see how long they remain doctors.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Within the law, yes.

No, making a profit does not negate ethics.

No, “paying it forward” would be doing it pro bono. They receive a hefty compensation for their work.

I think it’s funny that when drug companies make money, you say that they’re greedy and don’t care about people, but when doctors make money, they’re just poor servants trying to serve mankind.

Go ahead and take away their paychecks and see how long they remain doctors.

I don’t live in Black/White world, so I would never advocate “taking away paychecks”. I do however believe that there is a way to see that drug companies and MD’s make money without denying people access to healthcare. I also believe that the greatest country in the world should be able to figure that out.

People can make money without being consumed by greed and losing their souls.

 

[Skip_Wiley]

I don’t live in Black/White world, so I would never advocate “taking away paychecks”.

Why not? Wouldn’t doctors remain doctors just out of the goodness of their hearts?

I do however believe that there is a way to see that drug companies and MD’s make money without denying people access to healthcare.

If you really believed that, then you would advocate returning healthcare to a free market, consumer based system, instead of socializing it.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Why not? Wouldn’t doctors remain doctors just out of the goodness of their hearts?

If you really believed that, then you would advocate returning healthcare to a free market, consumer based system, instead of socializing it.

I’ve seen how well the free market works, and I’m unconvinced that it is run by anything other than unfettered greed and selfishness. The sign of the times is the closed fist-“As long as I and mine have, nothing else matters”

There’s a reason that greed is one of the seven deadly sins…

 

[Skip_Wiley]

I’ve seen how well the free market works, and I’m unconvinced that it is run by anything other than unfettered greed and selfishness. The sign of the times is the closed fist-“As long as I and mine have, nothing else matters”

There’s a reason that greed is one of the seven deadly sins…

But where free markets are allowed to work, service improves and costs to the consumer fall.

Which matters more to you: giving better healthcare to the poor? Or stopping people from making a profit?

 

[Fitswimmer]

But where free markets are allowed to work, service improves and costs to the consumer fall.

Which matters more to you: giving better healthcare to the poor? Or stopping people from making a profit?

Why does it have to be an either/or? Why can’t we get better healthcare for everyone AND have people make a profit? This is America, are you really suggesting that we’re not smart enough to be able to figure out a way to do both?

 

[Skip_Wiley]

Why does it have to be an either/or? Why can’t we get better healthcare for everyone AND have people make a profit? This is America, are you really suggesting that we’re not smart enough to be able to figure out a way to do both?

No, I never said that at all. I said that if we return to a free market, consumer based system of healthcare, that that’s exactly what will happen.

Those in the healthcare industry will make a large profit (too large for your liking, no doubt) and the poor will have improved, affordable care.

 

[Fitswimmer]

No, I never said that at all. I said that if we return to a free market, consumer based system of healthcare, that that’s exactly what will happen.

Those in the healthcare industry will make a large profit (too large for your liking, no doubt) and the poor will have improved, affordable care.

Please don’t make assumptions about what I would like or not like. I’m as in love with money as most Americans.

My question is-how come that hasn’t already happened anywhere if it’s such a perfect solution?

 

[pathia]

But where free markets are allowed to work, service improves and costs to the consumer fall.

Which matters more to you: giving better healthcare to the poor? Or stopping people from making a profit?

That doesn’t matter if the insurance companies won’t cover you. I cannot get insurance, period. I am looking to relocate to a country/state that has public health care options for the poor, because where I live now, I literally cannot get health care. I have a stack of twenty rejection letters on my desk, I’ve applied for every plan possible.

Any child I adopt wouldn’t have this problem, but the moment I get sick and hospitalized, then I wouldn’t be able to care for my child, or afford to keep myself healthy. I’ve already filed for medical bankruptcy twice. And no, medicaid won’t cover me.

 

[Skip_Wiley]

Please don’t make assumptions about what I would like or not like. I’m as in love with money as most Americans.

My question is-how come that hasn’t already happened anywhere if it’s such a perfect solution?

Because our government is a bureaucracy and the nature of a bureaucracy is to increase in size, not decrease.

 

[Skip_Wiley]

That doesn’t matter if the insurance companies won’t cover you. I cannot get insurance, period. I am looking to relocate to a country/state that has public health care options for the poor, because where I live now, I literally cannot get health care. I have a stack of twenty rejection letters on my desk, I’ve applied for every plan possible.

Any child I adopt wouldn’t have this problem, but the moment I get sick and hospitalized, then I wouldn’t be able to care for my child, or afford to keep myself healthy. I’ve already filed for medical bankruptcy twice. And no, medicaid won’t cover me.

And if we had a free market, consumer based healthcare system, you wouldn’t have this problem.

 

[pathia]

And if we had a free market, consumer based healthcare system, you wouldn’t have this problem.

No, they reject me purely based on my lifestyle. The reason why moving to another state would help, is that in some of them I am a protected class. Therefore, they cannot deny me coverage. They’re allowed to charge a higher rate, but not completely deny.

Regulation is the only way I can get coverage, or UHC.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Because our government is a bureaucracy and the nature of a bureaucracy is to increase in size, not decrease.

Seems like a pretty lame excuse…we have a vibrant private sector with a lot of really smart people working in it. If the free market is the answer to the health care problem, where are their solutions? Why hasn’t any other industrialized nation tried it?

I’ve been hearing for years that the free market is the answer to everything, and I just don’t see facts in evidence that it’s true.