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I had not attended mass at the OF parish since the new translation until this past Sunday. I go to a Latin parish most of the time out of preference but the other by necessity… (And Monseigneur Kavanaugh (sp) is one of my favorite priests)

I went to the OF parish with great expectations. I was looking forward to mass with the new translation. I had been hearing nothing but good things about it via the radio program here.

What I got was… rebellion…? My daughter and I were following the mass and when it got to any of the changed translations… most notably “…And with your Spirit.” , there was a very vocal group that said instead, “…and also with you.”

The first time or two, I thought… okay, they are not into the swing of things yet… but then as the mass continued, they would do this louder each time (including with the newly translated creed), trying to drown out the rest of us.

What the heck gives?

The largest shock, though, was at the end of mass, after Fr had already gone outside and we were streaming out… these folks that were scattered throughout the church started clapping and hooting…

Seriously… Wha?? I’m almost inclined to seek another Parish but I’m kind of stuck because of scheduling… I do hope this tapers off over time. What do the folks doing this think that they are accomplishing?
 
Cyclophile said:
What do the folks doing this think that they are accomplishing?
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Risking the state of their souls, perhaps…

Why not put on a false smile and ask one of them? I’m sure there’s an…interesting explanation.

PS. Your info says you’re in Sacramento. You’re lucky it’s not Stockton… all sots of weird stuff going on down there.
 
I would find one of them and ask what’s going on. Do so charitably though. You won’t REALLY know what they’re thinking unless you ask. 🙂
 
nickybr38 said:
I would find one of them and ask what’s going on. Do so charitably though. You won’t REALLY know what they’re thinking unless you ask. 🙂
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I agree with this. When I went to Friday and Saturday mass this week I just could not remenber the translations or that there were any. I reverted back to my pre advent days and confidently responded with “and also with you” every single time. Each time I swore I wouldn’t let it happen again.

Hopefully these people just haven’t got the hang of it and it is not a big deal to them to try.
 
I have to wonder about the motives of these people. I know in my parish there are people that don’t even bother using the missalette to read the correct responses, even when the priest announces what page they are on. It is disappointing that some people are so unwilling to be obedient to the Church.
 
Been to 3 different parishes since the change and my impression is that people seem OK with it here.
 
Probably just people who are still angry that the Vatican “imposed” “backwards” words or them or something stupid like that. Give it a few months, they’ll realize that they’re not going to win.

I’ve noticed that there’s some people who are still using the old words. I figure they’re just forgetting (it’s happened to me a few times too) or still getting used to it.

All I know is that Christmas is going to be a 1st class gong-show. Take the normal people and throw in a couple thousand more that have the old responses memorized and don’t even know there’s a new translation (or in some places that we’re now going to be kneeling), also throw in the first time most people will hear the new Gloria, and it’s going to be … interesting.
 
marty1818 said:
I have to wonder about the motives of these people. I know in my parish there are people that don’t even bother using the missalette to read the correct responses, even when the priest announces what page they are on. It is disappointing that some people are so unwilling to be obedient to the Church.
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That doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t know it…I’ve got most of it down except for the Creed-which is usually only on Sundays…🤷
 
Cyclophile said:
I had not attended mass at the OF parish since the new translation until this past Sunday. I go to a Latin parish most of the time out of preference but the other by necessity… (And Monseigneur Kavanaugh (sp) is one of my favorite priests)

I went to the OF parish with great expectations. I was looking forward to mass with the new translation. I had been hearing nothing but good things about it via the radio program here.

What I got was… rebellion…? My daughter and I were following the mass and when it got to any of the changed translations… most notably “…And with your Spirit.” , there was a very vocal group that said instead, “…and also with you.”

The first time or two, I thought… okay, they are not into the swing of things yet… but then as the mass continued, they would do this louder each time (including with the newly translated creed), trying to drown out the rest of us.

What the heck gives?

The largest shock, though, was at the end of mass, after Fr had already gone outside and we were streaming out… these folks that were scattered throughout the church started clapping and hooting…

Seriously… Wha?? I’m almost inclined to seek another Parish but I’m kind of stuck because of scheduling… I do hope this tapers off over time. What do the folks doing this think that they are accomplishing?
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I’ve noticed that it happens that way at my parish too, and my parish was VERY excited about the new translation and has a very orthodox group of conservative OF catholics.

The cause, I would surmise, is that only a few people at the beginning of the mass mess it up because people are more alert. As mass goes on, people tend to ease into their mass routine and actually become MORE forgetful about the new words. I’ve had that happen myself (nailed "and with your spirit the first two times, and the next two flubbed it pretty badly).

Give people time to continue to get used to it. After all, we still have “traditional” catholics (not the good ones, I’m talking about the sedevacantists and other extreme groups like the SSPX) that are STILL rebelling against the OF sixty years later. Why anyone thought this change would be easy or fast is beyond me.
 
Wow. That’s something else! The new responses not really catching on at the parishes I have been to since it was implemented, but it seems most people are trying. Honestly, I think it is going to take years and til then is just going to sound like a blur of words. I can see there are some people who just have decided that they aren’t trying and they don’t care, but I don’t think it’s like this situation.
 
curlycool89 said:
All I know is that Christmas is going to be a 1st class gong-show. Take the normal people and throw in a couple thousand more that have the old responses memorized and don’t even know there’s a new translation (or in some places that we’re now going to be kneeling), also throw in the first time most people will hear the new Gloria, and it’s going to be … interesting.
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🙂

Don’t forget the drunk people.
 
adf417 said:
I agree with this. When I went to Friday and Saturday mass this week I just could not remenber the translations or that there were any. I reverted back to my pre advent days and confidently responded with “and also with you” every single time. Each time I swore I wouldn’t let it happen again.

Hopefully these people just haven’t got the hang of it and it is not a big deal to them to try.
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Yep, me too. I went to a different Mass than usual and without my family. Happily stood there and said all the wrong responses! :o

I would assume that there was no malice in folks saying the wrong responses, and no mailice in the applause. Maybe they just liked the recessional hymn. 😛
 
This would be a good time for Catholic churches to make use of overheads.

Pew cards are not working well at all. Half the time, the pew cards are missing, so you can’t find the new translation, and then you have to kind of stumble along

Or you fumble through the missallette to find the pages where the new translation is. A lot of Catholics don’t seem willing to do this. I’m not sure I understand why, but perhaps they need glasses and don’t have them. That’s another problem–a lot of people who need glasses to read don’t normally bring their glasses to Mass, and so they can’t see the new translation on the pew cards.

An overhead projection of the new translation would fix that problem.

Putting the new translation up on an overhead (Powerpoint?) so that people can’t possibly miss it or ignore it would send the message, “THIS IS IT, everyone. Get with it.”

I realize that a lot of Catholics find overheads “Protestant” or “worldly”, and I also realize that in more traditional Catholic buildings, there is no place that is suitable to place a projection (no one wants to see words across St. Joesph’s tunic).

But for those churches (like ours) that are more modern, an overhead would be a great help.
 
In Christian charity, the parish priests should probably assume the responses were in error and remind everyone from the pulpit they are to use the new translation. If it continues I would think the priests would become more forceful in their urging, if it becomes. If it becomes blatantly obvious this is some form of rebellion the priest should remind everyone they are acting sinfully and suggest they examine their consciences and get to confession.
 
The new translation is often drowned out at my parish, but I think its more because of lack of preparation and habit more than anything.
 
Cat said:
This would be a good time for Catholic churches to make use of overheads.

Pew cards are not working well at all. Half the time, the pew cards are missing, so you can’t find the new translation, and then you have to kind of stumble along

Or you fumble through the missallette to find the pages where the new translation is. A lot of Catholics don’t seem willing to do this. I’m not sure I understand why, but perhaps they need glasses and don’t have them. That’s another problem–a lot of people who need glasses to read don’t normally bring their glasses to Mass, and so they can’t see the new translation on the pew cards.

An overhead projection of the new translation would fix that problem.

Putting the new translation up on an overhead (Powerpoint?) so that people can’t possibly miss it or ignore it would send the message, “THIS IS IT, everyone. Get with it.”

I realize that a lot of Catholics find overheads “Protestant” or “worldly”, and I also realize that in more traditional Catholic buildings, there is no place that is suitable to place a projection (no one wants to see words across St. Joesph’s tunic).

But for those churches (like ours) that are more modern, an overhead would be a great help.
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No overheads please. That is SO Protestant.

People will catch on eventually. In the meantime it’s kind of funny really, half the people saying “and with your spirit” and half saying “and also with you”! It makes me laugh.
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There’s a learning curve, be patient.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
No overheads please. That is SO Protestant.

People will catch on eventually. In the meantime it’s kind of funny really, half the people saying “and with your spirit” and half saying “and also with you”! It makes me laugh.
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My church installed an overhead just for this… and it doesn’t help. People are still stumbling and messing up (mainly because we had NO prep before hand. Just BAM!~ There you go, new translation, do eeeet!)
 
nickybr38 said:
My church installed an overhead just for this… and it doesn’t help. People are still stumbling and messing up (mainly because we had NO prep before hand. Just BAM!~ There you go, new translation, do eeeet!)
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That’s interesting. I honestly thought looking up at the overheads instead of searching through a pew card would help. Guess not.

Our parishes had lots of preparation, several months. In fact, we have all been discussing this change for at least seven years.

But even with that, we, and I include myself, have a terrible time with “and with your spirit.” It’s so frustrating.

I agree with others that eventually it will become normal and we won’t stumble over it.
 
Bob_Aliano said:
In Christian charity, the parish priests should probably assume the responses were in error and remind everyone from the pulpit they are to use the new translation. If it continues I would think the priests would become more forceful in their urging, if it becomes. If it becomes blatantly obvious this is some form of rebellion the priest should remind everyone they are acting sinfully and suggest they examine their consciences and get to confession.
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