It goes a little something like this:
That doesn’t help, and it is incorrect. Check out Catholic Enclyclopedia.
That was for all those folks out there who actually know what modernism is. Us traditional catholic type folks actually do have a sense of humor.
I have other more valuable things to do with my time. I don’t slurp with ----. I know what Modernism is.
Pax et Caritas;3541811:
What you are saying is stunning to say the least.
You want to see real traditional Catholicism?
Look at Mother Teresa who prayed with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Communists, rich and poor and never lost her Catholic identity, even though she dressed as a Hindu woman, instead of a European Catholic Sister. She never betrayed her conviction for the Gospel precepts of charity, especially the corporal works of mercy. She never bad mouthed her Church or her former religious congregation.
When she left it, she left in good standing, loving her sisters. She didn’t point the finger at them because they were teaching the wealthy Hindu and European girls while others died on the streats.
A Traditional Catholic is one who loves the saints and seeks to immitate them in the way they talk about the Church, its leaders and the way they obey even when they don’t understand or when they are displease.
Do you want to see another Traditonal Catholic. Look at St. Dominic. The pope denied his rule for his order and forced him to take the rule of St. Augustin and apply it to his order. Two months later Francis of Assisi came with the rule of his order and persuaded the Pope that he could not change it, becaue it had been dictated to him by Christ himself. The pope believed Francis and approved his rule.
I’m sure that Dominic was disappointed. Dominis was a priest and a scholar. Francis was a layman and not as educated. However, Dominic waited to meet Francis and when he met him he prayed with him for the success of both orders. He never mentioned that he Pope had turned down his request and accepted Francis. Dominic obeyed and accepted the humiliation.
I can show you another traditional Catholic. Brother Charles de Facould who was a Jesuit priest and left the Jesuits to convert the Muslims by living among them without preaching, just praying and opening his doors to them when they came to him. He never surrendered his Catholic faith or his belief in the Church, but he never stooped to insulting the Muslims or treating them condescendingly. He respected them. When a group of rebels wanted to get rid of all Christian Europeans, they entered his house they murdered him.
A traditional Catholic is a Cardinal Sean, who has never given up his Franciscan identity, even when he became a bishop. He continued to live in poverty. A man who only wears his Cardina’s garb when it is absolutely necessary, who attended a consitory of Cardinals in Rome dressed as a Franciscan Brother and presented himself as such to the Holy Father. Who took up three diocese that were heaped in scandal and legal battles over sex abuse, fraud and money laundering and turned them around by going to every group in the diocese and spending time with them as a Brother to them, not as an over powering Cardinal, dressed in the brown robe of St. Francis and sandals. The same robe that his order has worn for 800 years and proclaiming the same message that his founder proclaimed 800 years ago, I bring you peace and come to serve. This is tradition.
The traditional Catholics that I have met do not waste time targeting each other or other people. They are very prayerful. They love prayer. They love the Church and they want to see the Church as one. The Holy Father means something to them. Even if they don’t like Protestantism, they love the Pope enough to follow his lead to unity with others, esepcially through kindness and good example.
That’s traditional. What you have described a traditional would never say about his Church, because such words can’t come out of their mouths. That how much they love their church.
You’re not being Catholic, because true Catholicism is very mystical and true mystics only bring peace and charity to any situation. Check out St. Jonn of the Cross.
JR
Well don’t keep us all in suspense! Tell us what it is?
If you don’t know what it is, how can you accuse someone of being guilty of it?
Of course - but you can use more than a few. Just give us an overview.
dyspepsic;3543734:
I love what you have said here, JR! None of these Saints would deny one item in the catechism of the Church, yet they were wise enough to know that love dictates that we respect eachother wherever they are at, as Christ came for ALL, and accepted everyone where they were at. To be catholic is to be universal, as the word means. This is not to say that the truth should be watered down, but that without having first a communal identification with someone[brother-sisterhood, as Francis put it], one cannot impart truth to them. I am a post-vatican Catholic, who knows that the Catechism and precepts, as well as traditions, [not to mention it’s founder Jesus Christ and the whole of the Trinity]have kept our beloved Church together for over 2,000 years, and shall continue to preserve Her until Jesus returns for us!What you are saying is stunning to say the least.
You want to see real traditional Catholicism?
Look at Mother Teresa who prayed with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Communists, rich and poor and never lost her Catholic identity, even though she dressed as a Hindu woman, instead of a European Catholic Sister. She never betrayed her conviction for the Gospel precepts of charity, especially the corporal works of mercy. She never bad mouthed her Church or her former religious congregation.
When she left it, she left in good standing, loving her sisters. She didn’t point the finger at them because they were teaching the wealthy Hindu and European girls while others died on the streats.
A Traditional Catholic is one who loves the saints and seeks to immitate them in the way they talk about the Church, its leaders and the way they obey even when they don’t understand or when they are displease.
Do you want to see another Traditonal Catholic. Look at St. Dominic. The pope denied his rule for his order and forced him to take the rule of St. Augustin and apply it to his order. Two months later Francis of Assisi came with the rule of his order and persuaded the Pope that he could not change it, becaue it had been dictated to him by Christ himself. The pope believed Francis and approved his rule.
I’m sure that Dominic was disappointed. Dominis was a priest and a scholar. Francis was a layman and not as educated. However, Dominic waited to meet Francis and when he met him he prayed with him for the success of both orders. He never mentioned that he Pope had turned down his request and accepted Francis. Dominic obeyed and accepted the humiliation.
I can show you another traditional Catholic. Brother Charles de Facould who was a Jesuit priest and left the Jesuits to convert the Muslims by living among them without preaching, just praying and opening his doors to them when they came to him. He never surrendered his Catholic faith or his belief in the Church, but he never stooped to insulting the Muslims or treating them condescendingly. He respected them. When a group of rebels wanted to get rid of all Christian Europeans, they entered his house they murdered him.
A traditional Catholic is a Cardinal Sean, who has never given up his Franciscan identity, even when he became a bishop. He continued to live in poverty. A man who only wears his Cardina’s garb when it is absolutely necessary, who attended a consitory of Cardinals in Rome dressed as a Franciscan Brother and presented himself as such to the Holy Father. Who took up three diocese that were heaped in scandal and legal battles over sex abuse, fraud and money laundering and turned them around by going to every group in the diocese and spending time with them as a Brother to them, not as an over powering Cardinal, dressed in the brown robe of St. Francis and sandals. The same robe that his order has worn for 800 years and proclaiming the same message that his founder proclaimed 800 years ago, I bring you peace and come to serve. This is tradition.
The traditional Catholics that I have met do not waste time targeting each other or other people. They are very prayerful. They love prayer. They love the Church and they want to see the Church as one. The Holy Father means something to them. Even if they don’t like Protestantism, they love the Pope enough to follow his lead to unity with others, esepcially through kindness and good example.
That’s traditional. What you have described a traditional would never say about his Church, because such words can’t come out of their mouths. That how much they love their church.
You’re not being Catholic, because true Catholicism is very mystical and true mystics only bring peace and charity to any situation. Check out St. Jonn of the Cross.
JR
I believe that there is room for both pre-and-post-V2 presuations within the Church, if we only remain in what She initiated two millenia ago, and keep grounded in what it means to BE CATHOLIC! AMEN?!
So, it’s all relative ? Relativism is traditional in the Roman Catholic Church ?That’s traditional. What you have described a traditional would never say about his Church, because such words can’t come out of their mouths. That how much they love their church.
You’re not being Catholic, because true Catholicism is very mystical and true mystics only bring peace and charity to any situation. Check out St. Jonn of the Cross.
JR
How did you get relativism from any where in JR’s post?
The same spirit also caused many Catholics to leave and join Evangelical churches.It was not an overnight thing, but the ecumenism of V2 caused many to become too conciliatory with Protestants. And there are some Catholics who are so poorly catechized that they couldn’t even tell the difference. That is how they end up leaving. They will say “It doesn’t matter what you believe, as long as you love Jeeezus.”Also true. I think Vatican II made more Catholics leave the Church and join schismatic Churches such as the SSPX and the Eastern Orthodox.
Your conclusion of “relativism” makes no sense to me.
Unfortunately, good solid Catholics can unknowingly absorb tenants of modernism.
That’s not how all of us feel. I feel for our seperated bretheren, that they don’t enjoy the fullness of faith, but I am glad that even though they don’t enjoy the fullness of faith, that they DO love Jeeeezus (your spelling)
You can read. Read it for yourself. I am sure it will be quite an enlightening experience. Maybe it will bring you out of your narrowminded experience. Pretty Please yourself…
Your own words condemn you out of your own mouth.
There is an apparent contradition. Vatican 2 cause many to become too conciliatorhy with Protestants. So they ended up joining the movement and the churches they opposed?
