Anyone else think the liberalization of the Tridentine Mass is not coming?

[paramedicgirl]

I think we may be straying into the forbidden territory because I’m finding the need to be contrary.

But you attend a reverent Mass. We’re talking about distractions and innovations. That doesn’t apply to your Mass.

 

[Walking_Home]

I think we may be straying into the forbidden territory because I’m finding the need to be contrary.

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My intent was not to dump on the NO. The NO is the Mass I attend. I was talking about the innovations and manipulations that are added for what would seem—the sake of “participation”.

 

[bear06]

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My intent was not to dump on the NO. The NO is the Mass I attend. I was talking about the innovations and manipulations that are added for what would seem—the sake of “participation”.

Thanks for the clarification. I’d probably agree with you then. My Novus Ordo is awesome but you won’t find any dancing girls there!

 

[BobP123]

But you attend a reverent Mass.

I’m beginning to wonder if there is such a thing. I guess it’s all a matter of how you look at it. Some could see some reverence if dancing was done in good taste. Or hand-holding for that matter. Personally I can’t see reverence if they keep using the God-awful ICEL translation in spite of what the Vatican says. How can that be awesome?

*Sed…

De gustibus non est disputandum*.

 

[thecoach]

I believe your understanding is not correct. The laity are suppose to participate in the Mass. Missals of 1962 have the translation into English on the opposite page of the Latin, and it take only a few times of attending TLM Mass to pick up on it. And in short order, you won’t even need your Missal just as now in the NO Mass. The readings are in English & so is the homily. Of course there is much more to the TLM Mass than just language. The 1st. time you attend a TLM, the reverence shown to God from the priest, alter servers & laity as well, you feel to the point that your spine tingles almost bringing you to tears. The last time I was able to attend a TLM was in 1971 as it was not offered anywhere I lived since then. If the NO was celebrated in the way Vat.II directed I would not have anything against it. Not even the language, if bishops & priest were not to keep adding or subtracting to or from it & they and laity would only follow the GRIM.

makes sense

 

[THurifer2]

Didn’t say the Novus Ordo was invalid. Both forms are valid. So yes, the Tridentine may not be necessary. Like I said I am not a traditionalist. I just think that the current Pope will pass on this and that will ultimately be the end of any signficiant Tridente Rite presence in the church for good or bad. The writing is on the wall.

Obviously you haven’t been following what the vatican radio and zenit have reported. I am wondering why you think its a pipe dream. What inside information do you have that any liberalization is being held up? Cardinal Hoyos president of Ecclesia Dei has already said difinitively the TLM would be freed. Why would the chairperson of the very commission who works for the pope on this matter say such a thing if it were a pipe dream?

B16 has said in the past that the church may indeed end up being smaller…yet purer…(his words not mine)… Perhaps there already is schism in our church and perhaps a Motu Proprio realeasing the TLM will just display the lines of schism so the average joe in the pew (like me) can find out where to go to Mass. If the Cardinals are not under the popes control then you must understand that they are in schism with the body of Christ. We need this MP to identify the real shismatics who will defy the pope.

 

[BobP123]

B16 has said in the past that the church may indeed end up being smaller…yet purer…(his words not mine)… Perhaps there already is schism in our church and perhaps a Motu Proprio realeasing the TLM will just display the lines of schism so the average joe in the pew (like me) can find out where to go to Mass. If the Cardinals are not under the popes control then you must understand that they are in schism with the body of Christ. We need this MP to identify the real shismatics who will defy the pope.

Excellent points. And the admitted schismatics will be exposed for the whole world to see. And Canon Laws won’t work for those who intend to break off with Rome. Necessity clauses don’t apply for those with Modernistic tendencies.

 

[bear06]

I’m beginning to wonder if there is such a thing. I guess it’s all a matter of how you look at it. Some could see some reverence if dancing was done in good taste. Or hand-holding for that matter. Personally I can’t see reverence if they keep using the God-awful ICEL translation in spite of what the Vatican says. How can that be awesome?

*Sed…

De gustibus non est disputandum*.

Mine’s in Latin with Asperges, incensing, chant, kneeling rail, no dancing and no hand-holding, etc. Come for a visit!

 

[bear06]

Excellent points. And the admitted schismatics will be exposed for the whole world to see. And Canon Laws won’t work for those who intend to break off with Rome. Necessity clauses don’t apply for those with Modernistic tendencies.

I think it funny that you think the MP will only get rid of the modernist schismatics. I somehow think that the long pause before its issue is because this will more than likely affect the schismatics on the right. This is my only fear about the MP.

 

[Walking_Home]

Mine’s in Latin with Asperges, incensing, chant, kneeling rail, no dancing and no hand-holding, etc. Come for a visit!

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Sounds good bear06—if only we were all that lucky.

 

[BobP123]

I think it funny that you think the MP will only get rid of the modernist schismatics. I somehow think that the long pause before its issue is because this will more than likely affect the schismatics on the right. This is my only fear about the MP.

Never said it would get rid of those on the left. It could merely identify and further expose them, if it hasn’t already. You’ll recognize them when they start crying “foul” at every opportunity and using Modernistic sub-logic to undermine the Pope.

Those on the right have been over-affected already, don’t you think?

The MP’s work has started. Don’t need an official release date.

 

[E.E.N.S]

Never said it would get rid of those on the left. It could merely identify and further expose them, if it hasn’t already. You’ll recognize them when they start crying “foul” at every opportunity and using Modernistic sub-logic to undermine the Pope.

Those on the right have been over-affected already, don’t you think?

The MP’s work has started. Don’t need an official release date.

Indeed.

 

[Flopfoot]

Don’t see why there’s so much opposition to the MP. There’s no reason why the 2 kinds of Masses, TLM and NO, can’t co-exist peacefully. Most churches hold 4 or 5 Masses on Sunday (including the Saturday vigil), and most people can make it to more than one of them. Like if my church had the NO on Saturday 6pm and the TLM on Sunday 6pm then I could just choose to go to one or the other. And even I was working on Saturday eve and had to go to Mass on Sunday night, and didn’t really want to attend the TLM, well there’s sure to be a nearby parish that’s celebrating a NO Mass at that time. There are at least 10 Catholic churches within 15 minutes drive of where I live. Don’t most of you have the same thing? People already “parish-hop” around here to get better homilies or better music or because they like the architecture better, so of course they would have no problem parish hopping to get the TLM or the NO.
I’d be up for a TLM Mass I spose. Been to a nearby Maronite church a few times and the liturgy there is really good, so I can only guess the TLM would be even better.