Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

[AgnosTheist]

Lets take the logs out of our eyes before we think we can take the splinter out of our brothers eyes, do you think? God loves us all dearly! God Bless pray pray pray for all!

I think the West have already taken the logs out of their eyes. For there is very little left of racism, sexism, & all sorts of discrimination. However there is still plenty of these in the muslim world.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

No! but it would help if we do not point the finger with the attitude that I am better than you Muslims. We cannot judge others when we ourselves have done the same thing in our own history. It is saying that all Catholics are Holy, no one has ever murdered, committed adultrey, have hatered towards others, are all loving, no drunkards, no child molesters, none have done evil, or not start wars with other countries, none our liars, none control other humans etc. Every race on the face of the earth all have the same sins, problems within their own race. All have saints within their own race or religious faith. All have evil also within them, don’t you think. Our greatest sin within all races is "our own individual ego, self love, pride etc. Jesus did not walk up to just this race or that race, Jesus approached all. Jesus said: It is finished ONCE AND FOR ALL! God Bless

I have some African American friends who are Catholic. Are they living a falsehood?

CDL

 

[Nickkname]

To everyone who believes Muslims worship a god other than God

The Church clearly teaches that Muslims worship God. Here are the passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Nostra Aetate (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions), and Lumen Gentium (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church):

*The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” *

• CCC, 841

Source: vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P29.HTM#2FM

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth…

• NA, 3

Source: vatican.va/archive/hist_c…aetate_en.html

*But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. *

• LG, 16

Source: vatican.va/archive/hist_c…entium_en.html

 

[planter654]

No it doesn’t - it means submission. That is the misconceptin muslims want us to think it means. It is more about genocide - killing infidels, enslaving infidels, lying to them and stealing from them - basically doing anything they want to do to infidels. It is about the controlling of every aspect of a muslim’s life and mind - from bathroom behavior, sexual behavior, financial behavior, etc. The ultimate fascism - brainwashing and control.

Because infidels are not submitting to islam they view us as less than pigs and feces - kufir - and they are told anything can be done to us.

If it meant peace we wouldn’t be having these types of discussions about islam because their violent past and present wouldn’t be an issue. It would be more along the lines of Buddhism and it is more like the opposite of Buddhism.

If that is the case in what you are saying which you seem to believe as truth, then till me why did Jesus come for in the first place? Why did Jesus come and was crucified on the cross for us? Why if we were living the perfect life in peace?

 

[Booklover]

It’s impossible to know. It is difficult to understand why Muslims remain Muslims when they know of Islams history of violence sanctioned by your holy books. If you are peaceable why not convert to the religion of the Prince of Peace? Remaining in that violent religion only makes us believe that you are not peaceable.

CDL

She claims to be “Catholic”!

Vickie

 

[planter654]

No it doesn’t - it means submission. That is the misconceptin muslims want us to think it means. It is more about genocide - killing infidels, enslaving infidels, lying to them and stealing from them - basically doing anything they want to do to infidels. It is about the controlling of every aspect of a muslim’s life and mind - from bathroom behavior, sexual behavior, financial behavior, etc. The ultimate fascism - brainwashing and control.

Because infidels are not submitting to islam they view us as less than pigs and feces - kufir - and they are told anything can be done to us.

If it meant peace we wouldn’t be having these types of discussions about islam because their violent past and present wouldn’t be an issue. It would be more along the lines of Buddhism and it is more like the opposite of Buddhism.

Not like the Misconception that we were led to believe Iraq had chemical weapons and the terroist where there from 911, which they have not found yet? like Innocent lives suffering and thousands upon thousands of innocent people have lost their lives, please tell me this was not also a misconception? —Oil had nothing to do with it right. We were there because of terroist right? God Bless

 

[planter654]

She claims to be “Catholic”!

Vickie

Yes I am a Catholic but to be faithful to my faith I must not judge exspecially what I do not know. Not all muslims are evil people! It would be doing the same thing with our faith as Catholics don’t you think? Like I said before there are Catholics and others who have broken away from the Catholic Church and practice and have started other churches. Not all those who believe in the same God that I do accept or agree with the Catholic Church. I do not know how to explain it but everyone as a different understanding of what is written in the bible to mean different meanings! There is good and evil throughout the world. The same with the Muslims with their book Quarn. We fell Protestants are not correct in what they follow. With the Quarn those that have started their own intrepretation are called terroist. But we should not put all Muslims in the same catagory, just like Catholics and Protestants or what ever other church. do I make you more confused I am sorry but I am trying hard to be faithful to God in my faith and not judge for I will be judged also! But pray pray for all to come to repentenace. God Bless

 

[Booklover]

Yes I am a Catholic but to be faithful to my faith I must not judge exspecially what I do not know. Not all muslims are evil people! It would be doing the same thing with our faith as Catholics don’t you think? Like I said before there are Catholics and others who have broken away from the Catholic Church and practice and have started other churches. Not all those who believe in the same God that I do accept or agree with the Catholic Church. I do not know how to explain it but everyone as a different understanding of what is written in the bible to mean different meanings! There is good and evil throughout the world. The same with the Muslims with their book Quarn. We fell Protestants are not correct in what they follow. With the Quarn those that have started their own intrepretation are called terroist. But we should not put all Muslims in the same catagory, just like Catholics and Protestants or what ever other church. do I make you more confused I am sorry but I am trying hard to be faithful to God in my faith and not judge for I will be judged also! But pray pray for all to come to repentenace. God Bless

What do we do about something evil, though? Do we just ignore it and let it continue to happen? What about all the non-Muslims being oppressed by Muslims? All that it takes for evil to take over is for good people to do nothing!

You can go to this site and see the list of atrocities being committed by them daily.


Vickie

 

[planter654]

To everyone who believes Muslims worship a god other than God

The Church clearly teaches that Muslims worship God. Here are the passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Nostra Aetate (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions), and Lumen Gentium (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church):

*The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” *

• CCC, 841

Source: vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P29.HTM#2FM

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth…

• NA, 3

Source: vatican.va/archive/hist_c…aetate_en.html

*But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. *

• LG, 16

Source: vatican.va/archive/hist_c…entium_en.html

Thank you and God Bless you! I know some muslims and they believe in the same God has we do and Abraham and Moses etc. They are beautiful brothers and sisters and are very strick no drinking etc. Thank you for your insight!

 

[Delta2]

Yes I am a Catholic but to be faithful to my faith I must not judge exspecially what I do not know. Not all muslims are evil people!

I think nobody said the contrary, and knowing that some of them are good people that loves God makes me feel sorrow…because they don’t know the pure and a Loving Spirit of Light that God is

I try to teach them, but they are like a wall, or perhaps not

But is our duty as catholics to teach those who doesn’t know the real God

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

I am a Catholic white woman! What did God do to those who disobeyed him when they made and Idol out of a cow, Moses remember? I am confused now! Do you fully understand their beliefs and the Quran? Or is this also some man made laws, or group of individuals who have taken upon themselves to do these things against their Quarn? We also do not have everyone on earth that are all Catholics, there is also a brake off of others, within our own race have created their own interpretations, churches etc of the Bible also is there not?

God Bless

Yes, I remember. Do you fully understand your own Catholic beliefs? Yes, God destroyed entire nations of peoples and asked the Israelites to do that. Yes, God sent a flood that destroyed the earth. Those were all justifiable. Allah telling Muslims in their own book to fight against Christians and Jews is different than individual Muslims misrepresenting their holy book to justify killing.

Those whites who subjected blacks weren’t doing so out of a religious context (except some white supremacists who misrepresented the Bible). Muslims, on the other hand, get it from their own holy book that you and I should be able to look at ourselves.

Be forewarned. Islam will attempt to subject the world to their religion. They have already begun. You are seeing the fruits of that now. Stick your head in the sand all you want. It’s coming.

Peace…

MW

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Lets take the logs out of our eyes before we think we can take the splinter out of our brothers eyes, do you think? God loves us all dearly! God Bless pray pray pray for all!

They are not our brothers. And no one cometh unto the Father but by Jesus Christ. They deny Him. They are lost. Yes, God loves us all. That’s not the point. The point is that Islam is a false religion by a false prophet sending a false message that seeks to incinerate your Catholicism.

Peace…

MW

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Yes I am a Catholic but to be faithful to my faith I must not judge exspecially what I do not know. Not all muslims are evil people! It would be doing the same thing with our faith as Catholics don’t you think? Like I said before there are Catholics and others who have broken away from the Catholic Church and practice and have started other churches. Not all those who believe in the same God that I do accept or agree with the Catholic Church. I do not know how to explain it but everyone as a different understanding of what is written in the bible to mean different meanings! There is good and evil throughout the world. The same with the Muslims with their book Quarn. We fell Protestants are not correct in what they follow. With the Quarn those that have started their own intrepretation are called terroist. But we should not put all Muslims in the same catagory, just like Catholics and Protestants or what ever other church. do I make you more confused I am sorry but I am trying hard to be faithful to God in my faith and not judge for I will be judged also! But pray pray for all to come to repentenace. God Bless

I certainly never said all Muslims were evil people. But the terrorism we are facing today is perpetrated by Muslims who use the Quran to support it. I condemn their evil acts and their religion that tells them to do so.

I pray for their conversion. I pray that they someday accept the Messiah. If they don’t accept the Messiah they are not accepting the Father in Heaven. No other way around it.

Peace…

MW

 

[planter654]

Yes, I remember. Do you fully understand your own Catholic beliefs? Yes, God destroyed entire nations of peoples and asked the Israelites to do that. Yes, God sent a flood that destroyed the earth. Those were all justifiable. Allah telling Muslims in their own book to fight against Christians and Jews is different than individual Muslims misrepresenting their holy book to justify killing.

Those whites who subjected blacks weren’t doing so out of a religious context (except some white supremacists who misrepresented the Bible). Muslims, on the other hand, get it from their own holy book that you and I should be able to look at ourselves.

Be forewarned. Islam will attempt to subject the world to their religion. They have already begun. You are seeing the fruits of that now. Stick your head in the sand all you want. It’s coming.

Peace…

MW

I believe alot of things our coming, Jesus said when you see---- God destroyed the first earth by water. Did God not say this time "fire’. So I humbly ask God-- please forgive me for I have sinned and pray pray pray for all souls every where !

God Bless–pray and leave the rest in the hands of the Lord, for all things are possible, but with out him we can accomplish nothing!
God Bless Jesus said: Far better for you if you pray for them!

 

[Lapell]

I think the West have already taken the logs out of their eyes. For there is very little left of racism, sexism, & all sorts of discrimination. However there is still plenty of these in the muslim world.

Are you sure? Maybe it’s just more subtle now…

 

[R_not]

I ask we have no violent past? You say it is about controlling? do you know any Muslims? Are you saying all Muslims are this?

Yeah, I know some muslims. One is taking the place I work at to court because they chose someone else instead of him for a job. We didn’t chose him because of his work habits.

And you deflect the whole problem by this question. islam not only has a violent past, it has a violent beginning and a violent present. It promises no peace in the future either because if one reads the koran - it only promises hatred to the infidels.

article on % of muslim and % of violence:

frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D

 

[planter654]

No it doesn’t - it means submission. That is the misconceptin muslims want us to think it means. It is more about genocide - killing infidels, enslaving infidels, lying to them and stealing from them - basically doing anything they want to do to infidels. It is about the controlling of every aspect of a muslim’s life and mind - from bathroom behavior, sexual behavior, financial behavior, etc. The ultimate fascism - brainwashing and control.

Because infidels are not submitting to islam they view us as less than pigs and feces - kufir - and they are told anything can be done to us.

If it meant peace we wouldn’t be having these types of discussions about islam because their violent past and present wouldn’t be an issue. It would be more along the lines of Buddhism and it is more like the opposite of Buddhism.

 

[R_not]

This is why islam won’t change - when anyone suggests that maybe other religions are to be considered for respect - the guy is killed. Then IF there are any muslims that might want to change things they are all culled into silence. None of them think that maybe if more of them voiced opposition and stood together that maybe things would change - instead they cower and allow the violence to continue.

sheikyermami.com/2008/05/09/sowdi-arabia-the-right-spirit/

They riot/kill/destroy over cartoons though - no problem! But, are those the ‘moderates’ or are there other moderates?

As for a question of ‘do I know any muslims’ - who in the heck wants to know any! I don’t! While they cower like cowards our fellow Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc die at the hands of their co-‘religionists’. With the numbers of those who claim to be ‘moderate’ they could stop this crud but they do nothing.

and the saying, ‘for evil to happen it means that all good men/women do nothing’ is very true in islam. Far too many did nothing and that is why their ancestors converted. In some cases their ancestors did indeed do something and some were killed and the others were kidnapped, enslaved and passed around as booty. This is why I will not stop - I will do everything in my power to not condemn our children to islam. Because I know that islam’s tactics/jihad are changing and political islam only means the same fate - death, conversion or subjugation for our children.

The hair on my back raises when I hear apologists for islam. It tells me they know nothing of islam, and are certainly willing to shoot their mouths off before finding out anything which only emboldens muslims to keep on. And some of those apologists are our own ‘scholars’.

 

[Booklover]

This is why islam won’t change - when anyone suggests that maybe other religions are to be considered for respect - the guy is killed. Then IF there are any muslims that might want to change things they are all culled into silence. None of them think that maybe if more of them voiced opposition and stood together that maybe things would change - instead they cower and allow the violence to continue.

sheikyermami.com/2008/05/09/sowdi-arabia-the-right-spirit/

They riot/kill/destroy over cartoons though - no problem! But, are those the ‘moderates’ or are there other moderates?

As for a question of ‘do I know any muslims’ - who in the heck wants to know any! I don’t! While they cower like cowards our fellow Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc die at the hands of their co-‘religionists’. With the numbers of those who claim to be ‘moderate’ they could stop this crud but they do nothing.

and the saying, ‘for evil to happen it means that all good men/women do nothing’ is very true in islam. Far too many did nothing and that is why their ancestors converted. In some cases their ancestors did indeed do something and some were killed and the others were kidnapped, enslaved and passed around as booty. This is why I will not stop - I will do everything in my power to not condemn our children to islam. Because I know that islam’s tactics/jihad are changing and political islam only means the same fate - death, conversion or subjugation for our children.

The hair on my back raises when I hear apologists for islam. It tells me they know nothing of islam, and are certainly willing to shoot their mouths off before finding out anything which only emboldens muslims to keep on. And some of those apologists are our own ‘scholars’.

I don’t understand how any non-Muslims can keep defending Islam either.
Here’s an excellent article on the dehumanization of the victims of Islam.

The Victim de-Humanization factor:
The principals governing Muslim relationships with others is vital to militant Islam because in all genocidal activities to date, grooming killers to first dehumanize victims in their minds is an important prerequisite. The indoctrination in sacred script and official publications and media creates the erroneous belief that Americans, Jews, Hindus, and other non-Muslims are not human beings in the same sense as Muslims, and can and should be slaughtered with impunity.


Vickie

 

[R_not]

I don’t understand how any non-Muslims can keep defending Islam either.
Here’s an excellent article on the dehumanization of the victims of Islam.

The Victim de-Humanization factor:
The principals governing Muslim relationships with others is vital to militant Islam because in all genocidal activities to date, grooming killers to first dehumanize victims in their minds is an important prerequisite. The indoctrination in sacred script and official publications and media creates the erroneous belief that Americans, Jews, Hindus, and other non-Muslims are not human beings in the same sense as Muslims, and can and should be slaughtered with impunity.


Vickie

Thanks booklover, I appreciate the link.