Anyone who willfully and deliberately sins doesn't know God, just ask Ananias!

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Sherlock:
Thistle, read the name on the post. You asked Giver what sect he belonged to. I (not Giver) suggested that it was a very small sect consisting of Giver. I suggested this (and yes, I am being somewhat sarcastic) that since Giver knows that “real” Christians do not sin; and since every Christian I know does commit sin, that Giver’s sect must consist of him and him alone.

I just have to wonder if those around him (family and co-workers) would support this notion.
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Sorry Sherlock. Its almost 1am Sunday here and I’m half asleep. I think I will now go to bed!
 
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Giver:
I think the Holy Spirit brings each and everyone one of us to the truth and knowledge of God.

If someone knows Jesus and who He is, how then could they disrespect our God by disobeying Him? When a person really knows Jesus they also receive the grace to not fail Him. If anyone refuses to accept His grace then: (Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”
Giver
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This really does make a lot of sense. However, it was Jesus
Himself who said that anyone who speaks against the Son of
Man will be forgiven. He said that “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit”
is the only unforgiveable sin, but that is not the only sin there is.

Are you trying to say that those of us who sin are not Christians?
I am thinking of a man named Fr. Damien who helped lepers on a
Hawaiian island called (Molokai?). I must believe this good man
was a Christian, yet every time the supply boat came, he made
a confession of His sins and felt the forgiveness of God. If he was
without sin, he would have nothing to confess. Yet if he did have
sin, are you saying he was not a true Christian?

Thank you for listening to these questions.
 
One of the beauties of our faith is that we undergo growth as Christians. I don’t see that happening during Giver’s beliefs. It sounds, and perhaps I am interpreting this incorrectly, as if Giver is saying that once a person is saved that they are already perfect.
 
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Giver:
I think the Holy Spirit brings each and everyone one of us to the truth and knowledge of God.

If someone knows Jesus and who He is, how then could they disrespect our God by disobeying Him? When a person really knows Jesus they also receive the grace to not fail Him. If anyone refuses to accept His grace then: (Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”
Giver
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Okay, for the record I will repeat this again even though I have already said it several times. This verse refers to “apostasy” which is the complete denial and repudiation of one’s Christian faith. This passage does not refer to typical sin.

Please look this passage up in several different commentaries, and you will see that this is the “Christian” understanding of what this passage means. This has been pointed out to you several times and on different threads. When you persist in this kind of error, your credibility is reduced to zero.
 
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cheeto1:
This really does make a lot of sense. However, it was Jesus

Are you trying to say that those of us who sin are not Christians?
I am thinking of a man named Fr. Damien who helped lepers on a
Hawaiian island called (Molokai?). I must believe this good man
was a Christian, yet every time the supply boat came, he made
a confession of His sins and felt the forgiveness of God. If he was
without sin, he would have nothing to confess. Yet if he did have
sin, are you saying he was not a true Christian?

Thank you for listening to these questions.
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This thread is supposed to be about where are the prophets today, and has broken off into Church failure to teach the Word of God and sin. I have a thread about sin and I think I’ll start one about the failure to teach the Word of God.
Giver
 
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Giver:
This thread is supposed to be about where are the prophets today, and has broken off into Church failure to teach the Word of God and sin. I have a thread about sin and I think I’ll start one about the failure to teach the Word of God.
Giver
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I am sorry I though I was addressing a different thread.

(Matthew 12:31) “And so I tell you, every one of men’s sins and blasphemies will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” Now lets go to Acts: (Acts 5:1-11) The Fraud of Ananias and Sapphira: Peter said they were lying to the Holy Spirit so I would say they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and knew God. This Scripture illustrates what it means to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. If a person knows God and is filled with, and lead by the Holy Spirit and the person sins, as Ananias and Sapphira did, they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. If a person doesn’t know God and doesn’t have the Holy Spirit then all their sins and blasphemies will be forgiven.
Giver
 
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Pax:
Okay, for the record I will repeat this again even though I have already said it several times. This verse refers to “apostasy” which is the complete denial and repudiation of one’s Christian faith. This passage does not refer to typical sin.

Please look this passage up in several different commentaries, and you will see that this is the “Christian” understanding of what this passage means. This has been pointed out to you several times and on different threads. When you persist in this kind of error, your credibility is reduced to zero.
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You would like to believe that interpretation is correct, but The Scripture doesn’t say that and you are wrong.
Giver
 
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Giver:
You would like to believe that interpretation is correct, but The Scripture doesn’t say that and you are wrong.
Giver
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So, yours is infallibly correct. Got it. Nice argument, by the way.
 
I have answered Pax’s objection to that Scripture before and he needs to answer other Scriptures, that tell us basically the same thing, and has yet to answer them. Also Matthew doesn’t mean apostasy at least before, but maybe after a person sins, like Ananias and Sapphira.
Giver
 
Hi Giver, a question you missed or overlooked was.

What Sect or church do you belong to?
 
Daniel Marsh:
Hi Giver, a question you missed or overlooked was.

What Sect or church do you belong to?
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I am a Christian; Jesus is my Lord and my God. I live the Word of God, as led by the Holy Spirit and Jesus. I have been baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Church I belong to is: all those who hear the Word of God and live it.
Giver
 
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Giver:
I am a Christian; Jesus is my Lord and my God. I live the Word of God, as led by the Holy Spirit and Jesus. I have been baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Church I belong to is: all those who hear the Word of God and live it.
Giver
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Were you baptised within a particular church and later leave?
Do you consider yourself completely sinless and perfect?
 
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Giver:
You would like to believe that interpretation is correct, but The Scripture doesn’t say that and you are wrong.
Giver
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The quote from Hebrews 6:4-7 does in fact refer to apostasy.

Many bible translations use the term “fallen away” which is the same thing as apostasy.

The Revised Standard Translations says:
“if they then commit apostasy,…” in verse 6.

The following Protestant biblical commentaries say this about this passage:

–Easton’s Book Synopsis
“Its teaching was fitted, as it was designed, to check that tendency to apostatize from Christianity and to return to Judaism which now showed itself among certain Jewish Christians.”

–Gray’s Home Bible Commentary
“Teaching About Apostasy This digression covers 5:12-6:20, and consists (a), of an explanation as to why they should be so seriously tempted to apostatize (v. 11-14).”

–Henry’s Concise Commentary
“Synopsis: - The Hebrews are urged to go forward in the doctrine of Christ, and the consequences of apostacy, or turning back, are described. (1-8) The apostle expresses satisfaction, as to the most of them. (9, 10) And encourages them to persevere in faith and holiness. (11-20)”

Robert,

You have now been provided with rather explicit proof that this passage of scripture refers to apostasy. Kindly, admit that you are wrong about this.
 
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Giver:
I have answered Pax’s objection to that Scripture before and he needs to answer other Scriptures, that tell us basically the same thing, and has yet to answer them. Also Matthew doesn’t mean apostasy at least before, but maybe after a person sins, like Ananias and Sapphira.
Giver
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I have answered your scriptures over and over yet you refuse to listen. This post is a great example. You were told early on in this thread that Ananias and Sapphira were not guilty of apostasy. They were guilty of lying to the Holy Spirit. Please get your biblical facts straight, and try learning from those around you. We have been assaulting you with the truth but to no avail.
 
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thistle:
Were you baptised within a particular church and later leave?
Do you consider yourself completely sinless and perfect?
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Not committing a willful sin does not make me perfect. I’m still working very hard on that, with slow progress.

I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. From the age of twenty-five until my early forties I went to mass and Communion almost ever day.
Giver
 
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Giver:
Not committing a willful sin does not make me perfect. I’m still working very hard on that, with slow progress.

I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. From the age of twenty-five until my early forties I went to mass and Communion almost ever day.
Giver
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But what denomination are you now? Do you belong to any denomination? You seem to be sidestepping that question, perhaps this is not done intentionally but now you have me curious. Are you affiliated with any church?

I am confused by your first sentence. Do you mean that by not committing a sin that you are perfect or that not committing sin still means that you are imperfect? If you are not committing sin then what would you have to work on?

Even after reading this whole thread, I am having difficulty wrapping my mind around your beliefs. Perhaps I am thinking in too practical a manner. After all, we all sin and fail. That is the beautiful aspect of our relationship with God. When we do fail, if we are willing to admit our transgression, God forgives us. It doesn’t sound like their is much room for spiritual growth in your beliefs.
 
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