Anyone with questions about Edgar Cayce?

[LateranBasilica]

In his readings EC said several times that a person wouldn’t need to worry about cancer if he ate 3 almonds a day.

I keep returning to this. Can you cite his reasons, and research for this claim.

 

[huck]

Hello LateranBasilica,
EC didn’t do research but rather went into a sleep state and responded to questions. Now since then, there has been research on the benefit of almonds and other nuts to ward of various diseases which you are free to accept or reject.

 

[Mary888]

The study of Edgar Cayce isn’t a rejection of God.

Then why did you have to leave RC in order to study Cayce? You could have remained a Catholic studying Cayce.

 

[LateranBasilica]

Hello LateranBasilica,
EC didn’t do research but rather went into a sleep state and responded to questions. Now since then, there has been research on the benefit of almonds and other nuts to ward of various diseases which you are free to accept or reject.

Huck, if your surgeon claimed he had not been trained to take your appendix out, but hey, he went into a sleep state and responded to whatever was required to cut you open, would you trust him? Would you find him credible? Would you allow him to take a sharp knife and cut you open. Would you allow an Anaesthetist to administer drugs to you and then keep your body functioning under Anaesthetic while you were being cut open by an untrained Surgeon?

 

[JMMJ]

I think Huck is discussing the faith he has for EC’s abilities. I am sure your faith in JC may seem quite odd to him.

 

[Dorothy]

Since the birthday of the Church, there have been many who have been deceived and are deceiving others away from Our Lord Jesus Christ by various distractions.

 

[Gorgias]

I think Huck is discussing the faith he has for EC’s abilities. I am sure your faith in JC may seem quite odd to him.

Good point.

So, then: it all comes down to Jesus’ claim of divinity vs Cayce’s claim… to speak wisdom while in a trance?

Even if I would buy into that notion, I’d still have to ask “whence the wisdom he purports to speak?”

 

[JMMJ]

Good point.

So, then: it all comes down to Jesus’ claim of divinity vs Cayce’s claim… to speak wisdom while in a trance?

Even if I would buy into that notion, I’d still have to ask “whence the wisdom he purports to speak?”

Faith is a funny thing. It doesn’t work the same way for everyone. I would even argue no two people are exactly the same in the way they approach faith.

 

[AlmaRedemptorisMater]

I need to know nothing about Cayce, apostate. Please repent and come home to Christ in His Church.

 

[huck]

Huck, if your surgeon claimed he had not been trained to take your appendix out, but hey, he went into a sleep state and responded to whatever was required to cut you open, would you trust him? Would you find him credible? Would you allow him to take a sharp knife and cut you open. Would you allow an Anaesthetist to administer drugs to you and then keep your body functioning under Anaesthetic while you were being cut open by an untrained Surgeon?

The short answer is no. The above involves blindly trusting another individual to act in your best interest. The surgeon is claiming what would be compared to in religion as infallibility. A psychologist lived with EC for several years and observed the process and there were several factors which influenced the value and accuracy of the information provided. The information provided makes no claim to infallibility. I disagree with some of the information provided in the readings. I have read the readings and I have found them to be of value in my life.

 

[huck]

I think Huck is discussing the faith he has for EC’s abilities. I am sure your faith in JC may seem quite odd to him.

Hello JMMJ,
There faith doesn’t seem odd but merely wrong. They have the idea that Jesus is going to take them to heaven. In actuality heaven isn’t a place. JN 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. This eternal life wasn’t marketable so it became going to heaven.
Gorgias,
I haven’t said anything about Jesus divinity.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I’ve heard peanuts are good for preventing illnesses too. One should just eat a little handful of mixed nuts and then one is covered.

It’s interesting that you believe Cayce was a clairvoyant. The big Cayce follower I used to know was an observant Jewish man. He used to tell me all about ol’ Edgar at lunch. I was impressed by the fact that Edgar would read the Bible all the way through cover to cover every year, and that when people asked him how they could develop the gifts they had, he would tell them “if you want to be more psychic then be more spiritual” and he meant it in the sense of reading the Bible straight through as he did, not in the sense of being a “spiritualist”. I tend to believe he had some charism from God but it didn’t give him perfect knowledge and he was occasionally in error.

 

[Gorgias]

In actuality heaven isn’t a place. JN 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

I think that’s a rather forced interpretation. Let’s look a bit further in John 17:
“[Jesus said,] 'And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, … I wish that where I am they also may be with me, that they may see my glory that you gave me, because you loved me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:13, 24)

That place “not in the world”, to which Jesus went, and to which He wishes us to be with Him… is heaven.

There are many more references, but that should do for now.

Gorgias,
I haven’t said anything about Jesus divinity.

I know. That’s the problem: you’re following and trusting and listening to a human (Cayce) over God (Jesus).

 

[huck]

Since the birthday of the Church, there have been many who have been deceived and are deceiving others away from Our Lord Jesus Christ by various distractions.

While the main forum is Catholic Answers, this section is non-Catholic religions, therefore I would think anyone on here would be automatically consenting to here viewpoints that are different from the views presented by Catholicism.

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Gorglas Reading through the entire chapter it seems to me pretty evident that he is praying for some sort of oneness for his disciples. If you disagree that’s fine, but, I am a conservative when it comes to language. In reading a story it requires determining what the author meant when he used a certain word. The meaning of life eternal is knowing God and Jesus Christ. John also says something similar in one of his letters: 1JN 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1JN 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

[Gorgias]

Gorglas Reading through the entire chapter it seems to me pretty evident that he is praying for some sort of oneness for his disciples.

Yep. I’m with you on that. But, it’s oneness in the Father, and He talks about “going to the Father.” From a Christian perspective, that’s “heaven”. It’s not a stretch, I’d assert, to “determine that the author meant when he used a word” that he was talking about heaven (especially since Jesus talks about it throughout the Gospels).

 

[huck]

We both agree that there is an ultimate goal. Heaven is the sky. Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven ie. God’s kingdom in the sky. I don’t recall him making any reference to a physical location. Actually if there was a physical location that we and Jesus, and God were confined to it would more accurately be called a prison. EC said no one goes to heaven, they grow to heaven. Each lifetime we are subjected to knew experiences. Sometimes we gain from the experience. Sometimes we don’t meet the challenge and we need to go through it again.

 

[Gorgias]

Heaven is the sky. Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven ie. God’s kingdom in the sky.

Actually, no. The term is multi-valent: in the original language of the Gospels, it can mean either “the sky” (i.e., “the heavens”) or “God’s place of eternal bliss”. (IIRC, the KJV translation tends to lean exclusively toward the former – but that doesn’t mean that this was the original meaning in the original language.)

So, I get what you’re saying, but I think you’re proposing a translation that’s far too shallow.

I don’t recall him making any reference to a physical location.

That’s because ‘heaven’ isn’t a place in the physical universe.

EC said no one goes to heaven, they grow to heaven. Each lifetime we are subjected to knew experiences. Sometimes we gain from the experience. Sometimes we don’t meet the challenge and we need to go through it again.

On the other hand, Jesus said (through the Scriptures) that we live one life only. So… who ya gonna believe?

 

[huck]

On the other hand, Jesus said (through the Scriptures) that we live one life only. So… who ya gonna believe?

As far as I know there is no record of Jesus ever saying this. Apparently the person who wrote the letter to the Hebrews believed and inserted his viewpoint while writing about a completely separate topic. God has chosen not to reveal information about the afterlife, (even though he has had ample opportunity), via Moses, the prophets, Jesus. I don’t think living only one lifetime on earth makes very much sense, but if that’s what you want to believe that’s your business.

 

[Gorgias]

Apparently the person who wrote the letter to the Hebrews believed and inserted his viewpoint while writing about a completely separate topic.

And that writing was ID’ed as inspired Scripture, which means it’s the Word of God, which means that it’s the self-revelation of God. So… yeah – this is something we believe that’s being taught to us by God – by Jesus.

In any case, Jesus does talk about it. Look at the Gospel of John, chapter 5. Here’s a snippet: “the hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:28-29)

So, here we see Jesus directly affirming that there is death and resurrection – not reincarnation after reincarnation!

Think about what reincarnation means: there’s no need for divine forgiveness, since you work out your sins in a subsequent life; there’s no need for the divine gift of salvation, since you work it out on your own. And yet, Jesus brought both. In a very literal way, He’s giving things that are completely unnecessary – and, in fact, unhelpful! – if reincarnation were to be true.

Moreover, reincarnation is about repeated tries until you get it right. So, either everyone reaches the highest state of good, or most do. But, Jesus tells us that there is a judgment of “sheep and goats” (that is, of those who are saved and those who are not). He tells us that the path that leads to (eternal) life is narrow, and few find it! So, if we hold to Jesus’ teaching, then we realize that even if you wish to believe in reincarnation, you’d have to admit that it’s (by and large) a failure. And, if it’s a failure, then upon whom are you relying for salvation?

So, you can conclude that Jesus was a charlatan, if you wish; but you cannot conclude both that Jesus’ word is true and that reincarnation is a reality.

I don’t think living only one lifetime on earth makes very much sense, but if that’s what you want to believe that’s your business.

I don’t think that living multiple lifetimes on earth makes much sense. After all, if you can’t get it right now… what makes you think you’ll get it right later? If you aren’t divine, why do you think you can attain divinity on your own behalf? If you want to believe that, then yeah… that’s your business. Doesn’t make much sense, though…

 

[huck]

Hello Gorgias,
N 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

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So these people who are still living on earth now have everlasting life.
JN 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

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So this could be referring to the 3 days Jesus was in the tomb and preaching to the people in the borderland, or it could mean when these people live their next life they will have access to the Holy Ghost and therefore eternal life.
JN 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to theSon to have life in himself;
JN 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
JN 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
JN 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

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The souls of the people will come back in a brand new body which would be resurection. Regardless of how you interpret the above verse, verse 24 and other verses (mostly from John) make it plain that an individual can have eternal life regardless of whether he is presently having a lifetime experience on earth.

I don’t think that living multiple lifetimes on earth makes much sense. After all, if you can’t get it right now… what makes you think you’ll get it right later? If you aren’t divine, why do you think you can attain divinity on your own behalf? If you want to believe that , then yeah… that’s your business. Doesn’t make much sense, though…

The above makes it appear that salvation hangs on having a lucky lifetime, in actuality we use these lifetimes build on each other. In my understanding of the EC readings we have a higher self. When we are born this higher self influences are conscience. As we live our lives we make decisions and karma provides us with an understanding if these were good decisions or bad. When we die the higher self takes what it learned and hopefully the next life will be more informed about right and wrong.