AOC: A Society With Billionaires Cannot Be Moral

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sorry, left out the “s”. special interests
Which ones?
I provided you with plenty of articles giving evidence the direction I presented. Do you have evidence of what you are saying?
Sure. Look at ACA. The general government forced insurance companies to change their policies. The Little Sisters of the Poor had to go to court to keep the government from forcing them to violate their religious rights and beliefs.
Lots more.
That’s a good start, as long as the dimes going through super-PACs are also traceable. However, the whole system needs more limits.
No need for PACs.
 
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Want to balance the budget? Reduce spending
From an accounting standpoint, the budget is balanced though borrowing or by shifting funds. Good luck with reduction of spending, especially with the interest on the $22 trillion of debt.
From a reality standpoint, stop spending more than revenues. Spending limited to enumerated powers.
 
the profit for insurance co. shareholders was eliminated
I need to look into this, but a few years ago I read the returns were not that great.

However, I do suspect the fact that any medical organization can be a for-profit corp is a problem.
As idescribed above, if there is a net gain for the voters, I’m all for it!
The problem is that anything we “give” to voters has to come from somewhere.

Also, I think promising rewards to voters for their votes is kind of like giving money politicians to get them to do what you want them to do. It causes a messed-up system
 
stop spending more than revenues. Spending limited to enumerated powers.
The sequester under Obama cut spending by a small amount. But it stunted growth and still produced a deficit. Got $22 trillion of assets you can sell of so we can get rid of about $310+ billion of interest payments a year?
 
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Also, I think promising rewards to voters for their votes is kind of like giving money politicians to get them to do what you want them to do. It causes a messed-up system
Regardless how one feels about lobbyists, this is by far the most despicable practice in Washington. The promise of “free” healthcare, “debt free “ college, “free” pre-school is demagoguery of the worst kind. It is dishonest to the people and comes down to buying people’s votes with other people’s money.
 
The sequester under Obama cut spending by a small amount. But it stunted growth and still produced a deficit. Got $22 trillion of assets you can sell of so we can get rid of about $310+ billion of interest payments a year?
What, specifically, did the sequestration cut (cut being a reduction in actual dollars spent, not a limit of the growth rate)?

Actually, the general government owns lots of land and mineral rights it could sell / lease, but that $22 trillion is the tip of the iceberg.
 
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Glad you asked. From Wikipedia:

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Right. Maybe they could project higher numbers to show steeper downward spending. 🙂
 
Look, AOC is going overboard and being unrealistic about the tax proposals, but what we can see is that the concentration of wealth in this world, at the expense of those suffering poverty, is unjust. And you won’t find a single modern pope disagreeing with that.
Hey, I just heard today that an elected official (Representative or Senator) receives a retirement package from TAXPAYERS from the first term they are elected and it increases for every year they serve… If Nancy P. were to retire today she would get a package of $100,000 a year for the rest of her life (give or take…) Think of all the money we are paying present and FORMER congress people… how much IS THAT??? is this true?
 
That’s just silly. Caesar was the head of a dictatorship, not a democracy. The metaphor falls apart in the details. The only similarity is that it is a government, and Jesus told us to go ahead and pay taxes to an unjust government. Do you think that His contemporaries thought that paying taxes was just? Of course not. But Jesus told them to do it anyway.
You are getting the wrong message about the message of Jesus… Don’t love money, money will not get you into heaven… Love God with your whole heart. This will get you to eternal life with God and that should be your goal. So give to the government what is the government’s (the world) and choose life in eternity with your HEART and SOUL…that’s what God wants…
 
Look at ACA. The general government forced insurance companies to change their policies.
You must be joking. Study how the ACA was written. It was written by the insurance companies, and they have had increased profits because of it.
 
Nancy P. were to retire today she would get a package of $100,000 a year for the rest of her life…
Actually, that is less money than many retired police officers get in our state.
She is a socialist. By definition, she removes rights from individuals and replaces it with government power. Socialism does not bring power back to any people but the ruling class.
This is not what people from Sweden or Finland would tell you, or from many countries that have many “socialistic” programs to pay more for education and health care. The fact is, “socialism” is not an all-or-none concept. In the US, we have socialized education, medicare, and retirement. We enjoy those programs, they are very worthwhile.
However, I do suspect the fact that any medical organization can be a for-profit corp is a problem.
Yes, did you see the 60 minutes episode a few years back where they did a story about employees who processed claims for insurance companies getting bonuses for denying claims?

I may have misunderstood you earlier. Are you saying that people are getting offered money for voting? (directly?)
 
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Look at ACA. The general government forced insurance companies to change their policies.
You must be joking. Study how the ACA was written. It was written by the insurance companies, and they have had increased profits because of it.
Not a single insurance company executive voted for or against it. Democrats votes for it.
Insurance companies have pulled out of states precisely because they couldn’t make money in the exchanges.
 
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This is not what people from Sweden or Finland would tell you, or from many countries that have many “socialistic” programs to pay more for education and health care. The fact is, “socialism” is not an all-or-none concept. In the US, we have socialized education, medicare, and retirement. We enjoy those programs, they are very worthwhile.
People from Northern Europe will tell you they are not socialist countries. That is a contrivance by socialists to mislead. They do have certain socialist overlays on a generally capitalist system. The capitalism pays for the social safety net.

 
Insurance companies have pulled out of states precisely because they couldn’t make money in the exchanges.
Yes, in some states, the states, but not as a whole.

People from Northern Europe will tell you they are not socialist countries. That is a contrivance by socialists to mislead. They do have certain socialist overlays on a generally capitalist system. The capitalism pays for the social safety net.
Well, some may say that but they are more “socialist” than the US. They have more social programs, which is what AOC and the “Justice Democrats” are pushing for. People make “socialism” into a scary word, they think of the USSR or China, but that is totalitarian socialism. Social Security, Medicare, and public education are “socialist” programs. They rely on taxes to benefit the society as a whole, even though many individuals do not receive (nor will ever) benefit from direct services or money in relation to the taxes they pay. think of it this way: our military, in itself, is a socialist program. Most citizens do not benefit directly by receiving money or personal protection; it is a protection for the whole of society. Medicare, Social Security, regulatory agencies, and education benefit the whole of society, even though none of them are perfect.

The benefits are indirect for the whole of society, and direct for many people.
 
Insurance companies have pulled out of states precisely because they couldn’t make money in the exchanges.
There were fewer of them which denied claims but that was the intent of the ACA.
 
I may have misunderstood you earlier. Are you saying that people are getting offered money for voting? (directly?)
No, more where the nominee promises phones for all, tuition for all, etc. Altho McGovern (1972) did promise $1000/person if he were elected.
 
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