AOC future of Catholic church?!

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Some of her views are similar to those supported by the Church but not others. Probably the same applies to some of her opponents.
 
I have often said I would not wrap a fish in NCR, as I have too much respect for the fish.

If we really want to get down and analyze AOC, we probably could not do a lot better than to look at her response to the recent increase in shootings and other crime in NYC.

Her response was to the effect that people out of work and not able to pay their rent might steal bread to stay alive.

That is a non sequitur if I have ever heard one.

She may be Catholic for all I know - I am on the other coast, so it really doesn’t matter. So there was the wag who said “The Catholic Church! Here comes everyone!” may have been prescient.

But if she is the future of the Church, I might make Cardinal yet.
 
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Who cares what the National Catholic Reporter has to say? It is well known to be fishwrap trying to piggyback off the name of the National Catholic Register.
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The names are so similar, and their stance regarding the magisterium is so opposite to one another, that one or the other really needs to find a different name. When you say “Register”, people hear “Reporter”, and vice versa. NCReporter has been told by the bishop of their diocese to drop the “Catholic” part, but they won’t do it. For one or the other to claim copyright infringement due to similarity of names (could they do this?), whichever one came first, IANA Lawyer, but I’d have to think that the doctrine of laches would come into play — “you’ve both had similar names for a long time, why is it just now becoming a problem?”.
 
Someone wrote that to rile people up, and now we’re discussing how good or bad this particular woman is.

I would say to just scoff at the article, and move on.
 
The future of the Catholic Church will always go through Rome, not Washington, D.C., despite American vanity. Now “Catholic” in the sense of the National Catholic Reporter might go through Washington, but will stop of at Vegas and detour through Perdition.
 
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If she is the future of the Catholic church, I will have to look elsewhere for a church!
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Would you seriously leave our 2000±year-old Mother Church over a politician you don’t like?
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I don’t understand how anyone can condone the Democratic views and what is happening these days.
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This is black and white thinking. Neither major party represents our faith, and it is not a sin to vote for a Democrat.
 
blackforest said:
and it is not a sin to vote for a Democrat.
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The poster did not say it was a sin, only that he did not understand it. With the importance of abortion, and commitment of the Democrats to abortion, I understand why it is hard to understand. My own reason to vote Democrat on occasion would take a while to explain.
 
Is AOC even socially Catholic? Does she receive the sacraments, attend Mass, or have any connection at all to her local parish, including supporting it financially or in other ways?

And to be fair, the future of the Church includes some not-so-great things (see CCC 675-677).
 
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The National Catholic Reporter isn’t worth wiping your posterior with, let alone killing brain cells reading.

AOC is Catholic in name only. She openly rejects the vast majority of the Church’s moral teachings, especially in areas such as abortion and homosexual activity. She also supports several Socialist programs which are anathema in Catholicism.

If she is the future of Catholicism then the end really is near.
blackforest said:
This is black and white thinking. Neither major party represents our faith, and it is not a sin to vote for a Democrat.
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This is not a question about parties, it is a question about a specific individual. AOC is in open opposition to the vast majority of the Church’s dogmatic teachings on moral issues. It is therefor impermissible to vote for her, regardless of party affiliation.
 
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StPio1 said:
If she is the future of the Catholic church, I will have to look elsewhere for a church! I don’t understand how anyone can condone the Democratic views and what is happening these days.
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I try not to get too judgmental in terms of who is a good Catholic or who is a bad Catholic. God is the judge and his judgments are fair. But as far as my personal life goes, if you’re a progressive I tend to automatically not trust you and my husband will not hire someone if he knows they are a progressive. If you’re a neocon, that’s just as bad.

The apostle Levi was a tax collector yet Jesus choose him anyway.
 
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That’s true, Catholics have dropped from nearly 1/4 of the U.S. population to 1/5, while the irreligious (Nones) have grown to more than 1/4 (26%) according to the Pew Research Center as of last year. The U.S. Catholic Church has been losing members rapidly over the past decade. If Biden and AOC represent the views of a large number of American Catholics then it’s largely a church of nominal membership anyway.
 
As a young Latina, Ocasio-Cortez represents the demographic future of the Catholic Church.

But — if there is to be a future for the Catholic Church in the United States — it must also resemble Ocasio-Cortez in her passion for justice and human dignity, and in her courage and integrity, even in the face of vulgar attacks.
Heidi Schlumpf. National Catholic Reporter
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The Church in the USA is not a static mix of Irish, Italian and Polish immigrants and their children. It also includes the later immigrants from Spanish speaking countries that are as Catholic as the earlier immigrants. The Latinx are becoming the largest group in the Church, as they also are becoming he largest minority in the USA. That is all that was said about AOC as the future of the Church, that as a young Latina she represents what the Church will soon be.

It used to be that the two largest religious groups in the US were 1) Catholics and 2) Ex Catholics. AOC seems pretty firmly with the Catholics, but the demographic she represents could go either way. Will we have a Church filled with those who are zealous for forgiveness, justice and dignity, like AOC? Or will we have a Church dominated by vulgar attacks, like Breitbart?

I think it is a reasonable question.
 
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Will we have a Church filled with those who are zealous for forgiveness, justice and dignity, like AOC?
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What does that mean without supporting the right to life? Look at the political language AOC uses on social media: [AOC fetal heartbeat bill: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says on Twitter abortion bans are a "brutal form of oppression" and are "about controlling women's sexuality" after Alabama, Ohio pass laws - CBS News]
“Ultimately, this is about women’s power,” she wrote in another tweet. “When women are in control of their sexuality, it threatens a core element underpinning right-wing ideology: patriarchy. It’s a brutal form of oppression to seize control of the 1 essential thing a person should command: their own body.”
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I don’t see any justice, forgiveness or dignity in there for the unborn. If the future of the U.S. church is made of people who wield power and sexual freedom as their hallmarks, it’s not a bright future.
 
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It’ll be interesting to see what, if anything, the NCR has to say about AOC’s attack on the “leper priest of Molokai” St. Damien (Fr. Damien de Veuster). Today the National Review is reporting that this woman, the “future of the Catholic Church,” has attacked Fr. Damien’s statue in the Capitol as an example of “white supremacist culture.” There are just no words.
 
I agree, everyone should be zealous for the justice and dignity of the unborn. Hopefully someone will come around with a passion that includes both the unborn and the women who oppose others seizing “control of of the 1 essential thing a person should command: their own body.”

Until that happens, we have to consider how prudent it is to use vulgar attacks to alienate those who are passionate about forgiveness and dignity. Most of this thread, and NCR blogs’ responses to the original post, veer toward the attacking side of things. That imo is the way to enlarge the contingent of ex-Catholics and leave the Church in ruins. Latinx are the future of the Church. If we let them in they will lead us; if we keep them out, they will lead us away.
 
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StPio1:
If she is the future of the Catholic church, I will have to look elsewhere for a church! I don’t understand how anyone can condone the Democratic views and what is happening these days.
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I try not to get too judgmental in terms of who is a good Catholic or who is a bad Catholic. God is the judge and his judgments are fair. But as far as my personal life goes, if you’re a progressive I tend to automatically not trust you and my husband will not hire someone if he knows they are a progressive. If you’re a neocon, that’s just as bad.

The apostle Levi was a tax collector yet Jesus choose him anyway.
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Your husband won’t hire someone because of political views?
Is that legal? How does he suss out if someone is “progressive” or “neocon”?
 
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If she’s the future the church better update the Catechism to reflect all her views (don’t ask me which ones, research for yourself) that are contrary to what is written in the current one.
 
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