APA false teaching..Homosexuals can change

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota,

This notion of heretic gets thrown around so much…look here…

mncuf.org/hocon.htm

There has to be some understanding of how the mind works. Your mind, my mind, everyones mind has two sources of information, stored information and Imagination. In that regard if the above is true is it possible or impossible to change what it is you imagine? Please understand that imagined reality is ever as real as unimagined reality.

Imagination does and can change otherwise their would be no creativity or production of things in the world that were not there before. If you can imagine it then it can be accomplished.

Imagine yourself in a home, with windows, trees around it, fences, running water…you can imagine anything you choose to imagine…and then you can imagine that same home, red, blue, black…whatever you choose to imagine…you can imagine something as desireable or not desireable…if you deny this then you deny reality.

Imagination is the basis of hypnotherapy an accepted, founded practice. Do you want to dispute this?

You and they appear to be using the word imagination differently. Also they are a lay organisation with no power.

Creativity and productivity are caused by new variables being introduced or examination of what is already known.

I can’t imagine that, I lack an imagination. Yes it is boring to live in a world that is so cut and dried, but I can’t imagine anything different.

 

[CopticChristian]

]You and they appear to be using the word imagination differently. Also they are a lay organisation with no power.

Creativity and productivity are caused by new variables being introduced or examination of what is already known.

**I can’t imagine that, I lack an imagination. Yes it is boring to live in a world that is so cut and dried, but I can’t imagine anything different./**QUOTE]

Dakota,

I have a 3rd degree Brown Belt in Judo…never made black because I hurt my knee, my right shoulder and lack of time. I was told early on that in order to make a throw or to make a throw work all you have to do is one thing…try…

I used to spend hours with a belt wrapped around a tree trying to throw the tree…I, of course could not…but one day while on the mat in a tournament…I threw my opponent…because I just kept trying…

 

[buffalo]

This thread is so politically incorrect. California recently made a law against any kind of reparative therapy. The facts be darned.

 

[CopticChristian]

What sound science was there to support homosexuality being considered a mental illness? A lot of the opinions on homosexuals were based on a psychiatrist’s experience with patients who were homosexual. It was selection bias. Clinicians dealt with people who already had a mental illness and never dealt with normal, healthy homosexuals who would not need the care of a psychiatrist.

What evidence of disease is there in homosexuals? Depression? No, because depression is already and mental illness so there’s no need to add that. Substance Abuse? No, substance abuse stands on it’s own as its own problem. Anxiety? Nope, already there.

Now let’s consider the things that mental health professionals would categorize as normal, healthy behaviors. Holding a job, LGBTs do that. Maintaining social relationships, including family, friends, and close partners. Yes. Active in their communities, yes. Maintaining a household and functioning as an independent adult, yes LGBTs do that. Pursuing hobbies and other interests, yes. So, where’s the evidence of disease?

Slavonic,

You need to read your Catechism and you are not consistent with Catholic teaching.

So let’s see…sound science removed homosexuality from the DSM and here you say that there was no sound science to support homosexuality for the DSM…let me put my finger to my lips and make the sound of blubbbbbbbbbb

 

[JerBear_Meaux]

doesnt homosexuality lead to diseases? doesn’t that mean it is a sin?
maybe this proves the idea that leading a sin free life will stop you from ever developing a disease or a cancer. homosexuality leads to a lot of wrong things, plus i thought that if you were homosexual you wouldnt be able to make it to heaven anyways?

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota,

I have a 3rd degree Brown Belt in Judo…never made black because I hurt my knee, my right shoulder and lack of time. I was told early on that in order to make a throw or to make a throw work all you have to do is one thing…try…

I used to spend hours with a belt wrapped around a tree trying to throw the tree…I, of course could not…but one day while on the mat in a tournament…I threw my opponent…because I just kept trying…

That’s not imagination, that’s physics. With enough force, the right stance and motion you can throw someone.

doesnt homosexuality lead to diseases? doesn’t that mean it is a sin?
maybe this proves the idea that leading a sin free life will stop you from ever developing a disease or a cancer. homosexuality leads to a lot of wrong things, plus i thought that if you were homosexual you wouldnt be able to make it to heaven anyways?

That’s not Catholic teaching, through suffering we become better people.

 

[CopticChristian]

That’s not imagination, that’s physics. With enough force, the right stance and motion you can throw someone.

That’s not Catholic teaching, through suffering we become better people.

Dakota,

I suggest you read Psychocybernetics to understand the power of the imagination…I can imagine as can you what it is like to throw someone and in fact the notion of the throw as you can imagine is not force at all. I imagine as do you that Judo is the art of using someone elses force to your advantage and I am sure you can imagine someone walking down the sidewalk, slipping on a bannana peel and you can imagine them flying in the air…did the bannana peel apply force or was the force redirected…you can imagine that this is the essence of Judo…now imagine that.

 

[ringil]

This thread is so politically incorrect. California recently made a law against any kind of reparative therapy. The facts be darned.

Good for them.

No licensed Therapist is going to be practicing such garbage anyway and if they were they were doing it unethically and in secret.

 

[CopticChristian]

Good for them.

No licensed Therapist is going to be practicing such garbage anyway and if they were they were doing it unethically and in secret.

Ring,

The problem is that this is a prohibition against one kind of therapy as if that is the only method of addressing a problem. It is like saying Jungian therapy is outlawed leaving CBT, Freudian, etc to be used. They cannot outlaw every form of therapy and I anticipate that this will be challenged.

 

[ringil]

Ring,

The problem is that this is a prohibition against one kind of therapy as if that is the only method of addressing a problem. It is like saying Jungian therapy is outlawed leaving CBT, Freudian, etc to be used. They cannot outlaw every form of therapy and I anticipate that this will be challenged.

Licensing bodies prohibit ineffectual or harmful therapies. I am sure that there are pastors or non-licensed people doing reparative therapies (it’s almost universally practiced in a religious context).

Off the top of my head “Re-Birthing Therapy” is also not used by clinicians. I don’t know if it is formally prohibited but if I knew a clinician who sated they were doing it I would certainly call their licensing body.

Just found out that licensed Social Workers anyway shouldn’t be practicing reflexology and “Thought Field Therapy” whatever the heck that is.

 

[CopticChristian]

Licensing bodies prohibit ineffectual or harmful therapies. I am sure that there are pastors or non-licensed people doing reparative therapies (it’s almost universally practiced in a religious context).

Off the top of my head “Re-Birthing Therapy” is also not used by clinicians. I don’t know if it is formally prohibited but if I knew a clinician who sated they were doing it I would certainly call their licensing body.

Just found out that licensed Social Workers anyway shouldn’t be practicing reflexology and “Thought Field Therapy” whatever the heck that is.

Ringil,

You may want to get hold of a book…called guide for unlicensed practitioners…you probably do not know that most Life Coaches and most Hypnotherapists also have a minister license and are unlicensed practitioners…

amazon.com/Legal-Guidelines-Unlicensed-Practitioners-Paperback/dp/B008556YZM

Legal Guidelines For Unlicensed Practitioners [Paperback] [Unknown Binding]
Lawrence Wilson

There is no stopping the practice of these guys and if a licensed body is prohibited from practicing “reparative therapy”…then the name will be changed and the practice will continue as

Coaching
Guidance

You cannot restrain the practice of changing thouhts…

As long as there are people that want to change then there will be people helping them do that…good luck with the Homosexual trying to control what they cannot control…

 

[ringil]

Ringil,

You may want to get hold of a book…called guide for unlicensed practitioners…you probably do not know that most Life Coaches and most Hypnotherapists also have a minister license and are unlicensed practitioners…

amazon.com/Legal-Guidelines-Unlicensed-Practitioners-Paperback/dp/B008556YZM

Legal Guidelines For Unlicensed Practitioners [Paperback] [Unknown Binding]
Lawrence Wilson

There is no stopping the practice of these guys and if a licensed body is prohibited from practicing “reparative therapy”…then the name will be changed and the practice will continue as

Coaching
Guidance

You cannot restrain the practice of changing thouhts…

As long as there are people that want to change then there will be people helping them do that…good luck with the Homosexual trying to control what they cannot control…

You are correct. I am only speaking of Licensed Professionals.

I personally, seek licensed professionals whether they be plumbers, electricians, construction workers, auto-repair, doctors, nurses, layers, barbers, occupational therapists, recreational therapists, psychiatrists, carpet cleaners, hospitals, pet groomers, tattoo artists, etc. etc.

I like knowing that I have some assurance that what I am receiving meets, at lease, the minimal standard of quality, and that the professional has some level of accountability.

Otherwise I could simply walk up to any guy on the street. . . . .

You are also correct that Reparative Therapy will continue to be administered. I, and the established mental health community believe this is a bad thing.

 

[CopticChristian]

You are correct. I am only speaking of Licensed Professionals.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota,

I suggest you read Psychocybernetics to understand the power of the imagination…I can imagine as can you what it is like to throw someone and in fact the notion of the throw as you can imagine is not force at all. I imagine as do you that Judo is the art of using someone elses force to your advantage and I am sure you can imagine someone walking down the sidewalk, slipping on a bannana peel and you can imagine them flying in the air…did the bannana peel apply force or was the force redirected…you can imagine that this is the essence of Judo…now imagine that.

I didn’t say your force specifically, you can redirect momentum.

Banana peels don’t reidrect force, they reduce friction facilitating forward momentum on part of you causing you to lose balance which removes your legs’ ability to transfer the force to the ground. Simple physics.

Ringil,

So you believe that change is bad. Thank you…

Change is not always positive and there can be negative effects to get change.

 

[CopticChristian]

I didn’t say your force specifically, you can redirect momentum.

Banana peels don’t reidrect force, they reduce friction facilitating forward momentum on part of you causing you to lose balance which removes your legs’ ability to transfer the force to the ground. Simple physics.

Change is not always positive and there can be negative effects to get change.

Dakota,

and as you quote the notion of physics you can imagine that change is inevitable, is it not?

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota,

and as you quote the notion of physics you can imagine that change is inevitable, is it not?

Some things change, somethings disappear before they change. For example some alcoholics die before they stop abusing alcohol.

 

[CopticChristian]

Some things change, somethings disappear before they change. For example some alcoholics die before they stop abusing alcohol.

Dakota,

We all die. Fact.

Alcoholics are people and they die to. Fact.

Alcoholics that abuse alcohol die while abusing alcohol for reasons unrelated to their abuse of alcohol. Fact.

Alcoholics that abuse alcohol die while abusing alcohol for reasons related to their abuse of alcohol. This population however dies a slow painful death and they usually take one of two roads…Chronic Pancreatitis or Cirrhosis. No one knows why. To die of the effects of Chronic alcohol use is a slow painful death of the consequences…usually…

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota,

We all die. Fact.

Alcoholics are people and they die to. Fact.

Alcoholics that abuse alcohol die while abusing alcohol for reasons unrelated to their abuse of alcohol. Fact.

Alcoholics that abuse alcohol die while abusing alcohol for reasons related to their abuse of alcohol. This population however dies a slow painful death and they usually take one of two roads…Chronic Pancreatitis or Cirrhosis. No one knows why. To die of the effects of Chronic alcohol use is a slow painful death of the consequences…usually…

And some people can’t change even if they want to.

 

[CopticChristian]

And some people can’t change even if they want to.

Dakota,

Trisomy 21 is an interesting group…they categorize them as untrainable, trainable and educable…so this group has the capacity for change but not to the extent that those without trisomy 21 have like you and I.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota,

Trisomy 21 is an interesting group…they categorize them as untrainable, trainable and educable…so this group has the capacity for change but not to the extent that those without trisomy 21 have like you and I.

They can indeed be trained, but that’s not going to make them no longer mentally retarded