Apologetic "Gotcha!" moments

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This thread was inspired by a story by po18guy in the Sacred Scripture portion wherein he had a “gotcha” moment against a Mormon trying to evangelize him.

His story was how he replied to the Mormon’s question as to why Catholics don’t have Apostles in the organization anymore and he countered by showing the verse in Acts that Apostles are those who have personally witnessed Christ’s ministry, and he was able to show it via the Mormon’s own Bible! This set the Mormon to shaking and almost frothing at the mouth at having been shown up by a Catholic and by his own Bible no less.

My story is about an online discussion with a “born again” sola scripturist, blasting us for having a Pope when it clearly wasn’t in the Bible. I asked him if he believed in the Trinity and if so, why? The word wasn’t even in the Bible. He tried to counter with the Great Commission and I said “that’s a lot of words. I don’t see the word Trinity there either”. He finally brought out Webster to refer to as a definition and I replied “if you’re allowed to refer to Webster as an Authority other than the Bible, why can’t we Catholics have Sacred Tradition as another Authority complementary with the Bible? Why do you hold us Catholics to a standard you yourself aren’t willing to adhere to?”

Please share your “gotcha!” apologetic moments. 👍
 
A recent, quick “gotcha” moment with a Mormon at lunch:

Concerning the Great Apostasy, I showed her this verse:

And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. (Mt. 16:18)

She didn’t really have a remark.

That was a recent one, but not the best one!
 
Nice one catholic1seeks! Anti-Catholics always seem so absolutely sure that the Church apostasized from Christ’s teachings but when asked exactly when they can’t p(name removed by moderator)oint any particular event or time. Confronted with that verse you provided seems to put them at a quandary. Either the Bible they worship is lying, or the Catholic Church is still the one true Church.

Definitely “gotcha!” on that one.

I’d love to hear more of your apologetic “gotcha!” moments.
 
This was hilarous.
I was debating on youtube a few weeks ago with a horrible anti-Catholic.
The subject came up about the conspiracy that the Pope’s Latin name added up to 666. Well, a friend of mine came in at that moment and refuted him. The anti-Catholic came back and said “I believe it, not because Ellen/ Helen (I don’t know her real first name) White says so, but because the Word of God says so!”
I caught it right away and asked him “so where in the Bible does it say that the Pope’s name adds up to 666?”
He didn’t respond.
I asked him about 3-4 more times, with no response at all. He was wrong and he knew it, but he would never admit it.
It was great. I’ve gotten him a few other times as well, but that was probably the best.

If anyone wants the name of the video and user contact me somehow.
 
e61iuser said:
This thread was inspired by a story by po18guy in the Sacred Scripture portion wherein he had a “gotcha” moment against a Mormon trying to evangelize him.

His story was how he replied to the Mormon’s question as to why Catholics don’t have Apostles in the organization anymore and he countered by showing the verse in Acts that Apostles are those who have personally witnessed Christ’s ministry, and he was able to show it via the Mormon’s own Bible! This set the Mormon to shaking and almost frothing at the mouth at having been shown up by a Catholic and by his own Bible no less.

My story is about an online discussion with a “born again” sola scripturist, blasting us for having a Pope when it clearly wasn’t in the Bible. I asked him if he believed in the Trinity and if so, why? The word wasn’t even in the Bible. He tried to counter with the Great Commission and I said “that’s a lot of words. I don’t see the word Trinity there either”. He finally brought out Webster to refer to as a definition and I replied “if you’re allowed to refer to Webster as an Authority other than the Bible, why can’t we Catholics have Sacred Tradition as another Authority complementary with the Bible? Why do you hold us Catholics to a standard you yourself aren’t willing to adhere to?”

Please share your “gotcha!” apologetic moments. 👍
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You didn’t have a gotcha moment at all.

a.) Although the word trinity isn’t found in the scriptures the doctrine is found within the pages of scripture.

b.) Sola scriptura doesn’t rule out the use of dictionary’s and there is nothing analagous to using a dictionary and what your church believes about “sacred tradition”.
 
That was great coolduude! As Hannah Montana would say, “BAM!”

Or in the context of this thread, “Gotcha!”

You know what would have brought down the house? If you had pointed out that Ellen White’s name also summed up to 666 using the same technique that produced the 666 in the Pope’s name.

That would have had everyone at youtube rolling in the aisles!
 
Pwrlftr said:
You didn’t have a gotcha moment at all.

a.) Although the word trinity isn’t found in the scriptures the doctrine is found within the pages of scripture.

b.) Sola scriptura doesn’t rule out the use of dictionary’s and there is nothing analagous to using a dictionary and what your church believes about “sacred tradition”.
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Nope, sorry my friend. The “born again” was insisting that if it couldn’t explicitly be found in the Bible, it wasn’t true. He was focusing his blasts on the word “Pope” and it’s clearly not having been found in the Bible, therefore false. No talk about doctrinal definitions or interpretations. If the word wasn’t present then it wasn’t true.

I asked him where “Trinity” was. He couldn’t find it. Like I said, if he was to adhere to the same rules he imposed on us he was being unBiblical also. Clearly a “gotcha!” moment.
 
e61iuser said:
Nope, sorry my friend. The “born again” was insisting that if it couldn’t explicitly be found in the Bible, it wasn’t true. He was focusing his blasts on the word “Pope” and it’s clearly not having been found in the Bible, therefore false. No talk about doctrinal definitions or interpretations. If the word wasn’t present then it wasn’t true.

I asked him where “Trinity” was. He couldn’t find it. Like I said, if he was to adhere to the same rules he imposed on us he was being unBiblical also. Clearly a “gotcha!” moment.
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If that’s the case your friend needs to adjust his thinking.
 
Pwrlftr said:
If that’s the case your friend needs to adjust his thinking.
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Quite! He bailed out of the discussion right after that point. One can only hope that he would mull over the flawed logic he was utilizing and unfair fighting grounds he’s imposing on Catholics resulting from that discussion.
 
e61iuser said:
You know what would have brought down the house? If you had pointed out that Ellen White’s name also summed up to 666 using the same technique that produced the 666 in the Pope’s name.
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Actually, that did happen!
Here’s the original quote:
“Martin Luther also adds up to 666, so does George W. Bush and so does Ellen Gould White who came up with this rediculous idea that if a person’s title or name in latin adds up to 666 that makes them the antichrist. its rediculous. Also the only “title” that adds up to 666 is “Vicarius fili dei” which is not even a real papal title. the papal title is “Vicarious Christi” and it does not add up to 666. Even if it did it wouldn’t matter, the entire idea is flawed”
That was posted by the user OneTrueChurch.

I reccomend his channel to anyone who is refuting very stubborn Protestants.
 
e61iuser said:
Quite! He bailed out of the discussion right after that point. One can only hope that he would mull over the flawed logic he was utilizing and unfair fighting grounds he’s imposing on Catholics resulting from that discussion.
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I hope he does too but I doubt it. I disagree with your church on some issues but at one point I considered converting to your church. I read the catechism, Ott, Denzinger’s, many of the articles here on catholic.com, various council documents, listened to debates that Sungenis, Pacwa, Aken, Staples, and others had.

I ended up not converting but at least I learned a lot about your church and what it actually believes and teaches instead of listening to folks like Jack Chick and others like him said.
 
coolduude said:
Actually, that did happen!
Here’s the original quote:
“Martin Luther also adds up to 666, so does George W. Bush and so does Ellen Gould White who came up with this rediculous idea that if a person’s title or name in latin adds up to 666 that makes them the antichrist. its rediculous. Also the only “title” that adds up to 666 is “Vicarius fili dei” which is not even a real papal title. the papal title is “Vicarious Christi” and it does not add up to 666. Even if it did it wouldn’t matter, the entire idea is flawed”
That was posted by the user OneTrueChurch.

I reccomend his channel to anyone who is refuting very stubborn Protestants.
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:rotfl: That must have rocked their world!
 
You would be surprised. This guy isn’t your everday Protestant. He says it fulfills some prophecy (in Revelation presumably). Whatever. :confused:

Do you want to see the video and this user to see how rediculous his arguments are?
 
Pwrlftr said:
I hope he does too but I doubt it. I disagree with your church on some issues but at one point I considered converting to your church. I read the catechism, Ott, Denzinger’s, many of the articles here on catholic.com, various council documents, listened to debates that Sungenis, Pacwa, Aken, Staples, and others had.

I ended up not converting but at least I learned a lot about your church and what it actually believes and teaches instead of listening to folks like Jack Chick and others like him said.
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And that explains your charity in our discussions. I’m very much proud to call you my brother/sister in Christ. 👍

That guy on the other hand was firmly convinced that if I was a Catholic I was damned for all eternity and I had to leave it NOW!!!

You’re right. It’s highly doubtful that he’s going to change his point of view just because he was the subject of a “gotcha!” moment, but one can only hope that it would shine a little light in that deep, dark corner of his mind where he’s consigned us Catholics to.
 
coolduude said:
You would be surprised. This guy isn’t your everday Protestant. He says it fulfills some prophecy (in Revelation presumably). Whatever. :confused:

Do you want to see the video and this user to see how rediculous his arguments are?
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Sure! If the board allows it why not? I’m not sure it’s against the forum rules against swarming since it’s Youtube, but I’m sure it’s a lovely place.

The funny thing about Youtube is that even if you “gotcha!” people there, it doesn’t seem to matter. They just do the doctrinal dance and completely disacknowledge that you’ve given a valid rebuttal and move on to their next calumny, only to come back to the first one later on having forgotten that you’ve answered it before.

Ah well. 😛
 
Sorry it took me so long to go through all the comments. There was quite a battle happening there and quite a few “gotcha!” moments that anti-Catholics seem to not want to accept actually happened to them.

Like I said, youtube trolls just seem to not be charitable enough for a logical, rational discussion. I’m happy that the Catholic defenders held their ground though. Good for you guys! 👍
 
Thank you. The debate continues, however.
Where was this “battle”?
I’d be glad to help!👍
 
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