MARINEBOY1:
go to white’s web site and ge the transcript and scroll down to the end–yu will see it—that is my point exactly----if more oFus would take thaT approach–ill shut up–promise!!!
I went to James White’s site, searched “Madrid,” then did the same with “James White” on Envoy’s site. I didn’t find what you speak of. If you’d like to provide a link?
I have always defended the Church’s teachings to Protestants (and some of them have been downright rude). I always will defend the Church’s teachings, even the hard ones. I’ve never denied EENS. I’ve just spoken of it in light of the Catechism. It seems to me that you have still have not dealt with what the Catechism says, ie, that **
Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.” **I don’t deny that they are calls to Catholic unity, because the Church proclaims it so. I asked you about this and you said “I don’t know what that means, but…” Well, it behooves us to figure it out, since Church teaching cannot contradict Scripture or Tradition or Itself. It seems to me the logical solution is, again from the Catechism, that they are in
"certain, though imperfect," union with the Catholic Church. I’m not saying they’re not deficient, as a teacher, I think that’s a brilliant way to put it. But we have to deal with the sum total of the Church’s teachings.
Finally, Marineboy, you said this to me: “By their fruits you shall know them.” I’ll forgive you for that, since you don’t know me at all. I do not believe that I am a heretic, since I submit to ALL the Church’s teaching. I will, however, go on record and using your Scripture quote, as saying this. I do NOT believe that the following people, living or dead and Protestant all, are in Hell or are in any danger of hell, barring some deep, dark mortal sin we don’t know about:
- Dr. Billy Graham (if he is, then every pope, cardinal, bishop, and priest, let alone devout lay person he’s met is answerable for his soul).
- Dietrich Bonhoffer: bore courageous witness for Christ against the Nazi’s and was martyred as a result.
- Oswald Chambers: a Protestant whose near-mystic writings on Christ have drawn so many to the Savior.
- C.S. Lewis: An Anglican, he was urged time and again to convert to Catholicism by his very dear friend JRR Tolkien. Tolkien even got a little cold with him and there was a strain on the friendship for a time. Now, he can hardly claim invincible ignorance, can he, standing before the judgement seat?
- Fanny Crosby: Blind hymn writer, wrote so many hymns that reflect on and call others to repentance and the love of Jesus.
- Lottie Moon: Baptist missionary to China, who poured out her life in love for the Chinese people.
- My grandparents, who lived loving and obedient lives of uprightness and who sincerely followed Christ. They would both tell you point blank that they did NOT believe the teachings of the Catholic Church. Nonetheless, they most sincerely and fervently sought to do all that they understood to do in order to please Him.
Why? Because “by their fruits you shall know them.”
