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What can anyone do to stop this from happening? The priest usually says “Thank you for listening” after one of his l o n g homilies and that seems to trigger the applause. I get furious at the congregation for doing this!! It’s not his show, it’s not a performance, WHY are they clapping???

:mad::mad::mad:

Short of standing up and yelling “STOP!!!” is there anything I can do? The priest is not going to say anything, he enjoys the applause.

The other parish I attend is more orthodox and no one would EVER applaud, even for the choir after Mass (yes, the parish that claps for the priest also applauds the music after Mass…) :rolleyes:
 
If his homilies are that l o n g maybe they are just happy he stopped!😃

Sounds like the priest is asking for it by saying “Thanks for listening”!

On the other hand - are his homilies good? If people applaud it means they aren’t asleep! Do you learn anything, or are you edified in any way? Maybe there’s a positive in there somewhere.:confused:
 
The time and place for compliments to a priest in upon walking out as the priest is shaking hands. 🤷
 
We have a retired priest at our parish. Nice guy but a little too Oprah/modernist for my taste. So he gives one of his “I’m okay, you’re okay” homilies at mass one day and at the end he receives applause. This only happened once but I was really frustrated. So many Catholics just don’t get mass. No matter what you may think of a homily it is always inappropriate to applaud. It’s not supposed to be about the personalities with us, it’s about the real presence of our Lord in the Eucharist. Some folks think they’re there to be entertained and applauding a good performance only seems natural. Might as well go join a so-called bible church.
 
What can anyone do to stop this from happening? The priest usually says “Thank you for listening” after one of his l o n g homilies and that seems to trigger the applause. I get furious at the congregation for doing this!! It’s not his show, it’s not a performance, WHY are they clapping???

:mad::mad::mad:

Short of standing up and yelling “STOP!!!” is there anything I can do? The priest is not going to say anything, he enjoys the applause.

The other parish I attend is more orthodox and no one would EVER applaud, even for the choir after Mass (yes, the parish that claps for the priest also applauds the music after Mass…) :rolleyes:
I first, would address your concern with the priest himself. I’m fairly certain that the GIRM says nothing whatsoever on a posture of clapping. Therefore, had I been present to witness this, I too would be concerned.

If, after speaking with the priest, he decides to dismiss your concerns and not correct the situation, I would make an appoint with the Bishop to discuss the matter further. If that too fails to provide an appropriate resolution, I would find another more solemn parish to attend.
 
What can anyone do to stop this from happening? The priest usually says “Thank you for listening” after one of his l o n g homilies and that seems to trigger the applause. I get furious at the congregation for doing this!! It’s not his show, it’s not a performance, WHY are they clapping???

:mad::mad::mad:

Short of standing up and yelling “STOP!!!” is there anything I can do? The priest is not going to say anything, he enjoys the applause.

The other parish I attend is more orthodox and no one would EVER applaud, even for the choir after Mass (yes, the parish that claps for the priest also applauds the music after Mass…) :rolleyes:
My suggestion is that you speak to your priest directly if you do not normally do so outside of Mass. It is amazing how much you can find out about a person by simply becoming their friend.
 
I find long homilies difficult where a priest can give his homilies more succinctly. If a priest words his homilies with brevity and clarity, it will be far more useful than a long sermon where people begin to mentally drift and tire. It is particularly worrying when a family has young children present. With careful and succinct use of language, a message comes across more clearly and powerfully.

Aside from that, there seem seem, perhaps unintentionally, an element of showmanship in not discouraging clapping after a homily. It is true that much effort can go into a homily, but it is a priest’s responsibility to preach on the Gospel. To clap after an homily would make me very uncomfortable and I wouldn’t in fact do it. Sufficient to say to a priest afterwards, if it was in fact so, “Your homily was inspiring”. That’s something I would do and have done.

There is a nearby parish where the music ministers are routinely applauded after the weekend Masses. Any readers or others continuing active ministry in the Mass receive no such recognition. Nor do they need it as they have chosen to serve in this way. The music ministry has its own rewards as well as its efforts. To be a well-prepared reader also requires dedicated effort. I don’t see the need to routinely clap after weekend Masses. In any case, to do so certainly distracts from any sense of reverence for what has just occurred.

Habits once begun are not easily eradicated. If you have the courage and if you feel it’s right to do so, perhaps you can courteously and gently mention to the priest that some find it confusing and did he agree, and did he consider discouraging the practise of clapping after homilies…

You could point out that it distracts you from reflecting on his message. The quiet time after the homily is intended for reflection/meditation/internalizing on the message of the Gospel, as presented in the homily.
 
The other parish I attend is more orthodox and no one would EVER applaud, even for the choir after Mass (yes, the parish that claps for the priest also applauds the music after Mass…) :rolleyes:
I can understand why you are upset about clapping for the priest during the Mass. That is obviously wrong and it would bother me greatly. However, after the final blessing and dismissal, there is nothing to prevent the faithful from showing their appreciation to the choir. Mass is over at that point.
 
I can understand why you are upset about clapping for the priest during the Mass. That is obviously wrong and it would bother me greatly. However, after the final blessing and dismissal, there is nothing to prevent the faithful from showing their appreciation to the choir. Mass is over at that point.
Clapping for those who sing is fine, if it did not come with a barbed message to all others who are involved and do not sing in the choir.
 
Clapping for those who sing is fine, if it did not come with a barbed message to all others who are involved and do not sing in the choir.
Was that supposed to be a joke?

Clapping for the choir doesn’t come with barbed message at all. Just because one shows appreciation for someone, does not mean they do not appreciate someone else.

If a Lector, EMHC, Altar Server, heck even a Bishop, Priest, or Deacon feels that they are unappreciated because they don’t get applause, then they need to remember that they are there to serve God, not to get recognition. It isn’t about them at all. Its about God, period. Oh, and they should grow up also because that is a pretty childish attitude.
 
Was that supposed to be a joke?

Clapping for the choir doesn’t come with barbed message at all. Just because one shows appreciation for someone, does not mean they do not appreciate someone else.

If a Lector, EMHC, Altar Server, heck even a Bishop, Priest, or Deacon feels that they are unappreciated because they don’t get applause, then they need to remember that they are there to serve God, not to get recognition. It isn’t about them at all. Its about God, period. Oh, and they should grow up also because that is a pretty childish attitude.
So, some get recognition and the only ones that (properly) can are in the choir.
But, they are there to serve God, not to get recognition. So, it is okay they get the recognition they should not get, and the rest should shrug it off.
 
So, some get recognition and the only ones that (properly) can are in the choir.
But, they are there to serve God, not to get recognition. So, it is okay they get the recognition they should not get, and the rest should shrug it off.
They may receive applause after the final blessing because Mass is over at that time. Particularly since after the recessional hymn the priest, etc. will have processed out. As long as they are not seeking it I have a hard time seeing how anyone would have a problem with the choir getting applause but the lectors not.

However, I have seen on multiple occasions where the pastor will publicly thank all who serve be it at a parish function or before or after Mass. In fact, I have seen them get applause following their recognition after Mass on a day when the choir did not. Of course, I am sure the choir was quite scandalized by this since they are obviously not appreciated when someone else got applause and they did not. :rolleyes:
 
They may receive applause after the final blessing because Mass is over at that time. Particularly since after the recessional hymn the priest, etc. will have processed out. As long as they are not seeking it I have a hard time seeing how anyone would have a problem with the choir getting applause but the lectors not.

However, I have seen on multiple occasions where the pastor will publicly thank all who serve be it at a parish function or before or after Mass. In fact, I have seen them get applause following their recognition after Mass on a day when the choir did not. Of course, I am sure the choir was quite scandalized by this since they are obviously not appreciated when someone else got applause and they did not. :rolleyes:
We can simply disagree. Your Catholic Church must be more progressive than the one I attend.
 
However, when one serves in any ministry, it isn’t for acknowledgement or applause.
You do it because it needs to be done and you’ve committed to serving.
And most people don’t have a clue, except if you serve as Reader or Eucharistic minister, or in the choir. But it doesn’t matter. You don’t do it for acknowledgement or applause….It is to serve the community for the Lord’s sake. That is the only reason why anyone serves in a ministry. I’ve served in many ministries, catechist, at one time four classes in a week and I had to walk to two different Catholic schools one quite some distance; reader (for which readers for the following Sunday Masses practise on Thursday evening taking time out of that evening), reading for daily Mass; minister for Communion to the Sick (which by the way is time consuming) who give their time for the community, extraordinary Minister for the Eucharist, and Sacristan which is time consuming, and arranging the flowers, time consuming, as well as working long hours assisting with liturgical art for the seasons and special feasts. A person serving their Catholic community doesn’t seek or want applause. You’re doing no more than your duty, because you have accepted it as your call and your duty.** And it’s a privilege to do your little bit for the Lord in whatever way you serve**

In my former parish, all volunteers would be invited to a special little catered barbecue at the year’s end. No fuss or speeches, just a pleasant event for the parish to say thanks. Nice food, pleasant company, the priests present with us by way of thanks
 
It’s a cultural thing. In some parts of the world, the congregation clap and cheer all the way through Mass. In other parts, they remain in stony silence until the end, not even joining in the responses (we have people to do that). Just be glad that they are listening - and that they don’t keep shouting “Hallelujah!” every five minutes.
 
Currently in the United States, like it or not, hand-clapping has become an accepted way for a group of people to say “Thank you.”

In Luke 17, 11-19, Jesus heals ten lepers. All of them are so excited to be healed that they run away, but one healed leper returns, falls on his face at Jesus’ feet, and gives thanks to Him. Jesus praises this leper for giving thanks.

I believe that it is fitting for God’s people to give thanks to God, and in a group setting, applause is the way it is done in this day and age in the United States. It was not so in the past, but this is not the past. It is 2011, and people everywhere say “Thank you” with hand-clapping, again, like it or not. To rail against it seems rather useless, as it has become an accepted part of our culture.

I believe that Jesus is not offended, but rather, pleased, when people give thanks to Him, which is essentially what they are doing when they clap during/after the Mass.

Yes, I’m sure that there are some people in the congregation who are merely applauding a man because they are worldly in their outlook and think he was a good “entertainer,”, but I’m also sure that many more of the faithful have the pure motive of thanking the man (or choir, or speaker or altar servers, etc.) for bringing them a message that has helped them to see God and draw nearer to Him.

What are the alternatives for saying thank you? Lining up to say “thank you” after the Mass? Mailing a letter?

Both of these are very appropriate, but they are not corporate or “group” thank you, but rather, are individual methods of saying “thank you.” Hand-clapping in a group (“applause”) is a group thank you.

It is quite touching and meaningful to receive a hearty group thank you. IMO, the only other possible alternative would be for the entire congregation to call out, “THANK YOU!”, but this is not usually done in the U.S. Perhaps it will eventually become the cultural norm, but it isn’t right now.

As far as I know, the rubrics of the Mass do not forbid the group from saying “thank you” with a round of hand-clapping. I know that one of the popes has made ONE comment that applause is not appropriate during the Mass, but we’re not talking about worldly “applause,” we’re talking about saying “thank you” as a group. Also, one comment from a pope is not binding as a Mass rubric.

I know that there are people who say that we have to be careful not to assume that since the rubrics don’t forbid it, it is therefore allowed. But honestly, that’s the way it is. A lot of people pray the Sign of the Cross during or after the priest pronounces the absolution (in the OF Mass). THAT gesture is not in the rubrics for the Mass, but I see very few posts objecting to this gesture.

My only problem with a weekly round of hand-clapping for the priest’s homily (or for a choir number, or a speaker, etc.) is that it may become a rote exercise, no longer a true “thank you,” but something that the people think they have to do. That’s not good. The gesture means nothing if it does not proceed from the grateful hearts of the congregation, but instead, is just a habitual response.

In case anyone is wondering, the Masses in our parish are not generally punctuated with hand-clapping. There are times, though, when there is a hearty group “thank you” in the form of hand-clapping. I remember one homily in which our pastor denounced, in strong words, the abuse of children by priests, and stated clearly that such crimes need to be handled by the police. THAT brought hand-clapping from a grateful congregation. There are also times when the choir, especially the children’s choir, receives a corporate thank you in the form of applause for particularly stirring music, but this is always done AFTER the priest has pronounced that Mass is ended. Also, in our parish, whenever the priest invites a speaker to do a presentation (usually to invite people to the annual retreat, or invite people to sign up for an hour in the Perpetual Adoration Chapel), there is always applause–I think this has become an automatic response to a guest in the Mass, but I know that most of us are grateful to hear the speaker’s presentation.
 
What can anyone do to stop this from happening? The priest usually says “Thank you for listening” after one of his l o n g homilies and that seems to trigger the applause. I get furious at the congregation for doing this!! It’s not his show, it’s not a performance, WHY are they clapping???

:mad::mad::mad:

Short of standing up and yelling “STOP!!!” is there anything I can do? The priest is not going to say anything, he enjoys the applause.

The other parish I attend is more orthodox and no one would EVER applaud, even for the choir after Mass (yes, the parish that claps for the priest also applauds the music after Mass…) :rolleyes:
Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attrac*tiveness fades quickly—it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.

Pope Benedict XVI, The Spirit of the Liturgy​
 
Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attrac*tiveness fades quickly—it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.

Pope Benedict XVI, The Spirit of the Liturgy​
I’ve always agreed with this. There are very few times where I think applause should be used at mass. That said, just based on people I know in real life, many will start to clap out of habit if just one person begins to clap, even if they don’t really appreciate or care what is happening or they do it not to be rude. I know I’ve done that for performances in secular venues I’ve attended where the performers were ok, but I felt that they did their best and felt bad about not clapping for them because I know how much work goes into preparing for a performance. In addition, I think clapping has become more habit for some things. For performances, people just clap because it’s expected. According to my older friends who are avid music lovers and music colleagues, in the past, people didn’t always clap if they didn’t appreciate the performance. Some would even boo or hiss if they didn’t like it - even towards some of the greatest musicians. You rarely, if ever see that today, which I think is good… booing people is not nice. Don’t clap if you don’t like it. People just clap, especially in the US “just because”, and I think you sometimes see this happening at mass and other places where people used to not clap.

In all honesty, almost every single church musician I know, including myself, do not want or like applause after mass. For one, it brings way too much attention to ourselves when we are there to give to God. It gives us a bad name and that includes anyone involved in the liturgy… whether a priest, lector, etc. I’m sure there are many (if not most) who also don’t want the applause, but others assume that we’re all wanting it and accepting it. For those of us who are performers in the secular world, it reminds us of being too much like after a “performance” rather than mass. The applause after a performance feels incredible, but it’s not something we should be feeling after mass because we aren’t there for ourselves. I won’t clap for my colleagues and friends, for instance, after mass because I know that they don’t want it as we all realize it is not appropriate. If I’m touched by their music, I will seek them out and tell them personally. I’ve even written emails/notes to musicians I didn’t know thanking them for their God-given gifts and inspiration and they have written back thanking me.

The unfortunate thing, though, is that most people don’t realize that many church musicians don’t want the applause and I think many mean well when they do it. I’m sure it is the same when they applaud the priest after a homily. To me, though, based on the OP’s description, this kind of applause seems to be more of a pavlov’s response. The priest says, “Thanks for listening,” and the immediate response is to clap even if they may not have been inspired by it or even listening. In the OP’s parish’s case, this may be more of a habit rather than anything else, although I’m sure there are people there who are truly appreciating the priest’s homilies.
 
We can simply disagree. Your Catholic Church must be more progressive than the one I attend.
No it isn’t. In fact, it is quite traditional. Either way, that was not your argument. Changing the subject and suggesting my parish is progressive is a classic method when you cannot logically argue your position and know it. You stated that one group getting recognition will cause the others to feel that they are unappreciated. My two year old niece acts like that. However adults that are serving God in the liturgy ought to know better.
 
Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attrac*tiveness fades quickly—it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.

Pope Benedict XVI, The Spirit of the Liturgy​
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…and he said a “SURE” sign…and “TOTALLY” disappeared. Wow. Strong words. If these words had been spoken by anyone other than the Pope, you can imagine how quickly they would be jumped on!
 
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