Apple CEO Tim Cook comes out: 'I'm proud to be gay'

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AnnieHall said:
:shrug:I don’t think anyone would think it odd if someone said they were proud of their Irish heritage (or any other kind of heritage), or that they was proud to be a redhead or proud to be 5’ flat or many other things that have nothing to do with choices they’ve made. It may not be the most logical thing, but I don’t think it’s terribly uncommon to use pride as an antonym for ashamed, or a way to show that it’s a part of who you are, and you’ve accepted that.
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It is an idea worth exploring, but I understand having pride in your heritage. I don’t really get having pride in something like hair color, height, or size. I really don’t get pride in a sexual appetite. Who would have pride in being sexually attracted to waifish brunettes? Your private sexual appetite are not really the subject of conversation. One of the classic arguments for the disordered nature of homosexual attraction is a claim that it is hypersexual. Having pride in your sexual urges seems to affirm that.
Origen52 said:
Biggest threat to freedom is how Apple tries to totally control their clients’ use of their product. Really, I need to give you my credit card info to download a free app. I’ve used the Microsoft store for over a year and have not yet needed to provide any info, other than my name.🤷
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Well you must have never signed up for Xbox Live and tried to remove your credit card info from the box. I had to call MSFT and spend at least 20 minutes on the phone to get mine removed. I’m not as worried about my credit card number when all computer companies have all sorts of truly personal info of mine, like my writings which are my thoughts, who I contact, where I am. And of course the government has all that as well.
 
OraLabora said:
It depends on how one takes up one’s cross. I know my cross, different than his, has made me closer to God; it’s all in how I take it up. I chose to carry it, not dance on it though a few times I’ve been too weary to carry it and it brought me down.

Homosexuals are definitely not an “abomination”. The abomination comes in how a homosexual chooses to live it.
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Agreed. Also I think we overlook how much real pain there is in being homosexual. We also tend to believe (I think mistakenly) that all of that pain is the fault of others for rejecting them. I think it’s a mixture of both - outside rejection and inside rejection. The gay pride movement is designed to free gays from the internal rejection/struggle and strengthen gays in the face of the external social struggle.

Last point, I do think this debate in the Church over gays and Catholic teaching can get too nasty. It is a condition akin to alcoholism, drug abuse, pornography, etc. The gay pride mentality can set off defensiveness and aggression in those defending Church teaching.
 
Has anyone noticed how mainstream media loves sprinkling the news with a daily dose of ‘gayness’. It is almost as though Tim Cook just HAD to ‘come out’ after such a long lapse between headline news of ISIS, Ebola and and November elections.

The gay movement loves to see themselves speckled all over.
That is why I maintain that CAF should never give it the time of day.
So far, I like the tone of this thread…blasé

There is more than a hint of narcism in the gay pride movement.

Tim’s coming out is also a reminder of how homosexuality permeates the world from powerful and influential places which can and does include our Church. This was proven at the Family Synod. That is why we must pray and safeguard our minds and hearts and whatever God calls us to protect.

Tim is shoving his foot in every door he can reach (every person willing to read is words).

I refuse to read past the title of his article.

This recent activity of Tim Cook suggests that the gay agenda is not complete. I believe the gay agenda would like to ultimately persecute those who speak out against gayness. This is exemplified by the Texas mayor who tried confiscating sermons from religious.

Reserve your energy folks. The fight is not over.
 
Pride is pride…gay or straight it remains the worst of the 7 deadly sins.
 
estesbob said:
Especially when you are proud of a grievous sin
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Gee, I thought being gay was NOT a sin. Now we find out that estes really does think its a sin. No wonder the hypocrisy of “hate the sin and love the sinner” is so thick on this forum from time to time…it’s because it really is here.

Shame on you estes…you know better…or maybe you really don’t.
 
johnnykins said:
Gee, I thought being gay was NOT a sin. Now we find out that estes really does think its a sin. No wonder the hypocrisy of “hate the sin and love the sinner” is so thick on this forum from time to time…it’s because it really is here.

Shame on you estes…you know better…or maybe you really don’t.
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Same sex attraction ,although disordered is not a sin.Homosexual behavior is.Neither it’s something someone should be proud of.
 
signit said:
I don’t agree that someone should be “proud to be gay.”

But he mentions later in the article that he had to overcome discrimination. I can see why he might be proud of that.

I’m not proud of the fact that I came from a relatively low-income, low-class family background. But I feel good about the fact that someone who had little help in life could accomplish what I did.
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Perhaps.

But wouldn’t that mean Mr. Cook ought to have been “proudly” moving forward all along accomplishing all that he has even though his “gayness” hung around his neck like poverty all these years? That he accomplished all he had while everyone knew he was gay but despite discrimination and hardship, he exhibited real courage by swimming against the current of public opinion to get where he is? That is not, it seems, what he is actually “proud” of, however. It appears that he is simply proud of being “gay,”

Does the timing of his admission imply that he really could not be “proud” of having done any of the truly difficult work of swimming against the social stream, but rather because it is now relatively safe to “come out” he can declare to the world that he is “proud” to be what, all those years - when it would have taken real courage - he couldn’t admit to? Sounds to me like not the same kind of “pride” that you are talking about and not the actual justification for the pride he now shows, however.
But he mentions later in the article that he had to overcome discrimination…
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What he actually said was that he has “seen” and experienced many kinds of discrimination, not that he actually was the target of it. Nor do his words necessarily imply that he was targeted because he was known to be gay.
 
I’m a different kind of sinner than him. But I wouldn’t say that I’m proud of it. I struggle with my sins, and the good that comes out of it is it keeps me from feeling like I’m better than others.
 
Origen52 said:
Biggest threat to freedom is how Apple tries to totally control their clients’ use of their product. Really, I need to give you my credit card info to download a free app. I’ve used the Microsoft store for over a year and have not yet needed to provide any info, other than my name.🤷
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Um, that kinda contradicts Tim Cook’s own open letter saying the company values its customers’ privacy and, paraphrasing him, not turning customer data into a product that’s to be sold to advertisers and marketers. (And yeah, if you think that’s his way of launching a catapult at Google and Facebook, you’d be right. :o)
 
DaddyGirl said:
Sorry…but…*how *is he taking away other people’s most fundamental rights and suppressing those who disagree with him?

I don’t see any of this in the article or speech…

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The article mentions briefly that last year he supported the federal antidiscrimination law,

The article links to an article on his view on the antidiscrimination law, which I mentioned in an earlier post:
signit said:
Apparently you’re referring to this:

money.cnn.com/2013/11/04/news/companies/apple-cook-discrimination/?iid=EL

I don’t agree with that.

I don’t think employers should fire employees on the spot for being gay. All moral arguments aside, it’s simply not good business sense.
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DaddyGirl said:
Sorry…but…*how *is he taking away other people’s most fundamental rights and suppressing those who disagree with him?
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I suppose the same way I’m setting women’s rights back 100 years because I won’t pay for their birth control. :rolleyes:
 
Peter_Plato said:
But wouldn’t that mean Mr. Cook ought to have been “proudly” moving forward all along accomplishing all that he has even though his “gayness” hung around his neck like poverty all these years? That he accomplished all he had while everyone knew he was gay but despite discrimination and hardship, he exhibited real courage by swimming against the current of public opinion to get where he is? That is not, it seems, what he is actually “proud” of, however. It appears that he is simply proud of being “gay,”
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Indeed. It seems to me having certain sexual attractions could be a hardship in some ways. But not nearly the hardship of being poor, suffering physical or emotional abuse and other ways of suffering. Unlike other suffering you will not suffer verbal or physical abuse if you don’t inform others of your predilections. Since Cook didn’t ‘come out’ publicly until now he how much could he have suffered? Had he ‘come out’ thirty years ago he’d have a bit more to be ‘proud’ of.
DaddyGirl said:
Sorry…but…*how *is he taking away other people’s most fundamental rights and suppressing those who disagree with him?

I don’t see any of this in the article or speech…
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A year ago, Cook announced support for a federal law which would have protected workers from facing discrimination based on their sexual orientation.
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Or restated, Cook supported a law to strip the liberty of employers to fire people at their discretion and to create an opportunity for people who claim to be homosexual to seek damages in civil suits from employers. Anyone advocating for laws is looking to employ force to achieve their objective.
 
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