Arab op-ed: Pope’s remarks may lead to war

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The most extreme opinion was voiced by Hani Pahas in the London-based Arabic-language daily newspaper Al-Hayat, who wrote “the pope’s comments may lead to war; we fear that the pope’s statements may lead to a war that we, Muslims and Christians alike, are trying to prevent through dialogue between East and West. …

“The pope’s latest statement cannot be considered a slip of the tongue or a comic bit from a TV show; the situation. 0n here is different, and his remarks are indicative of an important and highly symbolic stance toward the religion (Islam) and the prophet of about a billion and-a-half Muslims,” he said.

“These are ignorant comments previously made by Adolf Hitler, who spoke of a supreme white race against all the other races, especially the African race.

ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3304575,00.html


Muslims protest in India (Photo: AP)
 
There was NO apology! The Pope expressed regret that some people would misconstrue his words in such away- but that is not an apology.
 
Where are they getting this stuff ??? :confused: He was the one calling for dialogue and they are the ones calling for war. I swear, just like thier prophet, it seems these folks just make things up as they go along.:banghead:
 
Pope’s remarks may lead to war? Gimme a break.

Do you think flying airplanes into skyscrapers could lead to war?

How about bombing civilians in subways?

Burning cars every night for a month all across the map of France?

The Popeis hardly the one who should be accused of “leading” to war.
 
Not only that, the remarks objected to by Islamic extremists were made in a 700 year old literary work. They were not made by Benedict himself.

I suppose that if I were to take some statements from the Tales of 1001 nights whereby the caliph and the vizir threaten beheadings, engage in torture, etc. as a quote in making some speech, that would be called upon to ‘apologize’ for my hateful remarks, etc. What a tempest in a teapot and what arrogance these ‘holy men’ engage in; it is truly pitiful.

Actions are speaking much louder than words here, despite the attempts by the ‘wrongly acting’ to place the blame on ‘words’, IMO.
 
“These are ignorant comments previously made by Adolf Hitler, who spoke of a supreme white race against all the other races, especially the African race.
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Says the people who say the Holocaust never happened. And since when is the Pope white supremist? Christ was a Jew…

This only makes me laugh!
 
Um, war with whom? Is the Arab world going to rain missiles on Vatican City? Ah, yes, I forget - some folks aren’t big on rationality.

There’s no way to dialogue effectively with some people.
 
proudnifi said:
Um, war with whom? Is the Arab world going to rain missiles on Vatican City? Ah, yes, I forget - some folks aren’t big on rationality.

There’s no way to dialogue effectively with some people.
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The NATIONS may not, but some nut-job might try and blow up up St. Peter’s. I seriously think that there will be an attempt on the Holy Father’s life.
 
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The NATIONS may not, but some nut-job might try and blow up up St. Peter’s. I seriously think that there will be an attempt on the Holy Father’s life.
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True.
The Vatican and the Pope have been potential targets for a long time. I don’t think the last attempt on a pope’s life was carried out by a Christian.

Overall, probably a matter of semantics. I don’t consider the action of one nut-job to be “war”; I see it as terrorism. I find it irrational that some Arab country might decide it would be a good idea to declare war on the Vatican.
 
The Taliban statement said the pope had “shamelessly said the respected Prophet Mohammed brought nothing but violence”.

news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060916/wl_sthasia_afp/vaticanpopeislamafghanistantaliban_060916074900

Statement from the Vatican:

As for the opinion of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus which he quoted during his Regensburg talk, the Holy Father did not mean, nor does he mean, to make that opinion his own in any way. He simply used it as a means to undertake - in an academic context, and as is evident from a complete and attentive reading of the text - certain reflections on the theme of the relationship between religion and violence in general, and to conclude with a clear and radical rejection of the religious motivation for violence, from whatever side it may come. On this point, it is worth recalling what Benedict XVI himself recently affirmed in his commemorative Message for the 20th anniversary of the Inter-religious Meeting of Prayer for Peace, initiated by his predecessor John Paul II at Assisi in October 1986: " … demonstrations of violence cannot be attributed to religion as such but to the cultural limitations with which it is lived and develops in time. … In fact, attestations of the close bond that exists between the relationship with God and the ethics of love are recorded in all great religious traditions".
The Holy Father thus sincerely regrets that certain passages of his address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful, and should have been interpreted in a manner that in no way corresponds to his intentions. Indeed it was he who, before the religious fervor of Muslim believers, warned secularized Western culture to guard against “the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom”.

In reiterating his respect and esteem for those who profess Islam, he hopes they will be helped to understand the correct meaning of his words so that, quickly surmounting this present uneasy moment, witness to the “Creator of heaven and earth, Who has spoken to men” may be reinforced, and collaboration may intensify “to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom” (Nostra Aetate no. 3).

cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/16/pope.statement/index.html
 
gilliam said:
The Taliban statement said the pope had “shamelessly said the respected Prophet Mohammed brought nothing but violence”.

news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060916/wl_sthasia_afp/vaticanpopeislamafghanistantaliban_060916074900

Statement from the Vatican:

As for the opinion of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus which he quoted during his Regensburg talk, the Holy Father did not mean, nor does he mean, to make that opinion his own in any way. He simply used it as a means to undertake - in an academic context, and as is evident from a complete and attentive reading of the text - certain reflections on the theme of the relationship between religion and violence in general, and to conclude with a clear and radical rejection of the religious motivation for violence, from whatever side it may come. On this point, it is worth recalling what Benedict XVI himself recently affirmed in his commemorative Message for the 20th anniversary of the Inter-religious Meeting of Prayer for Peace, initiated by his predecessor John Paul II at Assisi in October 1986: " … demonstrations of violence cannot be attributed to religion as such but to the cultural limitations with which it is lived and develops in time. … In fact, attestations of the close bond that exists between the relationship with God and the ethics of love are recorded in all great religious traditions".
The Holy Father thus sincerely regrets that certain passages of his address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful, and should have been interpreted in a manner that in no way corresponds to his intentions. Indeed it was he who, before the religious fervor of Muslim believers, warned secularized Western culture to guard against “the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom”.

In reiterating his respect and esteem for those who profess Islam, he hopes they will be helped to understand the correct meaning of his words so that, quickly surmounting this present uneasy moment, witness to the “Creator of heaven and earth, Who has spoken to men” may be reinforced, and collaboration may intensify “to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom” (Nostra Aetate no. 3).

cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/16/pope.statement/index.html
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Well you have to hand it to the Byzantine Emperor. He wasnt off the mark where it came to violence for Islam was founded on this if one reads the history of Muhammed after his initial Meccan period and entering the Medinan period.

In fact his words are proven each day. These riots and threats only reinforce the words that were said to long ago. The Emperor knew what he was talking about because even then they have major problems with the Muslim populations.
 
Lead to war? Gee, I wonder if they will fight that war “by the sword”?
 
Dialogue? The Islamic leaders want the Pope to grovel to them and apologize for something he didn’t even do? There’s your “dialogue” with Islam.
 
Just to retain some perspective, here’s a couple of quotes to demonstrate that some Muslims ARE speaking out in favor of the pope:

"Turkey’s top Islamic cleric, Religious Affairs Directorate head Ali Bardakoglu, welcomed the Vatican statement.

“He says that he respects Islam and didn’t want to hurt the feelings of Muslims. I find that a civilized position,” said Bardakoglu in an interview posted on the Web site of Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine."

and…

British Muslims sought to calm the situation.

““We welcome his apology and we hope now we can work together and build bridges. At the same time we would condemn all forms of violent demonstration,” Muhammad Umar, chairman of Britain’s Ramadhan Foundation, a youth organization, told Sky News.”
 
Muslims looking for war? Why is that not new.

We can be sure that any religious war will be all one sided, with the Muslims causing all the damage and the Christians in defense and controlling the damage.

We were not saved by the Cross of the Lord to become ‘dhimmis’ to the will of a man.
 
Robert Spencer, who is a Catholic, by the way, has written extensively on the Koran and Islam. He has appeared on CSPAN2 Book TV. A free transcript is available, according to the show I recorded.

His books include “Islam Unveiled”,

“The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam”

“Onward Muslim Soldiers”

“The Myth of Isalmic tolerance”

“Inside Islam - A Guide for Catholics”

Here is the Website with his books

jihadwatch.org/books/

and also his comments on the truth of what the Pope said and on the over-reaction by the Muslim community.

Just check it out.
 
Here is the link to the free transcript of Robert Spencer’s interview:

It is excellent.

q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1086

The program aired on August 20, 2006. The interviewer is Brian Lamb.

In the program, Spencer discusses what Catholics need to know about Islam and why Muslims don’t want Catholics to study the subject.
 
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