Archbishop Burke: USCCB document caused Catholic confusion, election of Obama

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Thank you! This is from January, but I came across it now: This puts a nail in the debate:

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jan/090128.html#1
The US bishops’ document, “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship,” stated that, under certain circumstances, a Catholic could in good conscience vote for a candidate who supports abortion because of “other grave reasons,” as long as they do not intend to support that pro-abortion position.
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Archbishop Burke, the former Archbishop of St. Louis Mo. and recently appointed head of the highest ecclesiastical court in the Catholic Church, told LifeSiteNews.com that although “there were a greater number of bishops who spoke up very clearly and firmly … there was also a number who did not.”
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But most damaging, he said, was the document “Faithful Citizenship” that “led to confusion” among the voting Catholic population.
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The US bishops failed the Church, FAITH, and the people! They hold much responsibility for Obama’s election. So you can make some sort of connection with that in furthering abortion.

True Catholicism is on the rise and I believe politicians, bishops, and other Catholic leaders will be called on the carpet for the failure to defend the Faith. Good.

Obama could be the spark that sets off the avalanche of true Catholicism in the Church!
 
This is not really surprising when you consider that Cardinal Francis George of Chicago had even welcomed Mrs. Clinton when she came to speak at Mercy Home. The Church is against abortion but high-ups seem to enjoy welcoming pro-abortion politicians.
 
The American church and especially the bishops have been little for than apparatchik for the Democrat party for years now.

Obama was so pro-choice that some bishops (and remember that less than half really spoke out on this which is damning) were forced into a corner and made uncomfortable and had to say something.

Look at the close ties between ACORN and the USCCB. The current issue of Catholic World Report has another great story on this. The bishops knew long before last year when the ACORN shady dealings broke out into the press, that this group was funding pro-abortion and secularist causes.

Cardinal George has failed to discipline Fr. Fleiger for years now. It has gotten to the point where he can’t - Fr. Fleiger’s parish is the largest now in the Chicago archdiocese.

Why Rome let all this go on for so long - I suspect it was the money they got from the US church. But if you have a better guess as to why the supposedly orthodox JP2 allowed scandals to contine - and presumabaly many souls to be lost - feel free to posit it.
 
I respect Archbishop Burke and I agree that the US Bishops statement could have been clearer.

No one has the excuse of blaming others, be it Bishops or whoever!

The Church’s teachings are clear, abortion is always a grave evil!

Those who were looking for an excuse to vote for Obama due to anti-war or social concerns want to blame the Bishops for confusing them?

The Right to Life is the Primordial issues, all other issues are irrelevant if we do not first ensure that innocent babies never have too fear being murdered by their own mothers and feathers!

If Obama were running against another extreme Pro-Death politician, with an identical 100% rating from NARAL (always voted Pro-Death), but he was in-line with Church teachings in other areas, then you could vote for him under a lesser of 2 evils argument.

Since John McCain had a 0% rating from NARAL (always voted Pro-Life), the lesser of 2 evils didn’t apply.

Listen to your heart, you know murdering 50 million US babies, and 1 billion babies worldwide is a horrific evil!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
Mark77 said:
I respect Archbishop Burke and I agree that the US Bishops statement could have been clearer.

No one has the excuse of blaming others, be it Bishops or whoever!
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I agree. I think that most if not all of those who voted for Obama would have done so even if the USCCB statement had been that voting for him would incur immediate excommunication.

Peace

Tim
 
Orogeny said:
I agree. I think that most if not all of those who voted for Obama would have done so even if the USCCB statement had been that voting for him would incur immediate excommunication.

Peace

Tim
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Yeah,but they would have had a lot less defense for doing so. Just look at all the old threads from the time of the election constantly harping on the statement.
 
St_Francis said:
Yeah,but they would have had a lot less defense for doing so. Just look at all the old threads from the time of the election constantly harping on the statement.
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Yeah, they would have just been quieter about it.

Peace

Tim
 
Mark77 said:
Since John McCain had a 0% rating from NARAL (always voted Pro-Life), the lesser of 2 evils didn’t apply.
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You can’t equate a 0% rating from NARAL with being pro-life. They’re not exactly credible when it comes to abortion. All that means in McCain’s case, is they wanted his opponent elected. If you want to know McCain’s record, it’s probably better to check pro-life organizations on that…starting with American Life League IMO.
 
Roamin_Xian said:
Thank you! This is from January, but I came across it now: This puts a nail in the debate:

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jan/090128.html#1
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The UCCB document gave sufficient cover to those who wanted to vote for 0bama, and sufficient lack of direction to those who didn’t know any better. When I read it, it almost seemed to me that they were giving away the election, or not really putting up a good fight. I was extremely disappointed. There is a silver lining to the Notre Dame scandal, in that it finally is bringing out stronger voices. The evidence about 0bama is sufficiently in as well, and there is no cover for those Catholics who voted for him. He is doing everything imaginable to make abortion on demand more accessible and financially within easy reach. He’s also using bad Catholics as cover. If the Bishops are really serious, they will excommunicate the likes of Biden, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, etc… all those who use their public office to promote the culture of death, while also still having the gall to call themselves Catholic. They are only Catholic in name, which doesn’t really buy you much. We all must be truly Catholic, following what Christ established for us in His one true Church.
 
miguel said:
You can’t equate a 0% rating from NARAL with being pro-life. They’re not exactly credible when it comes to abortion. All that means in McCain’s case, is they wanted his opponent elected. If you want to know McCain’s record, it’s probably better to check pro-life organizations on that…starting with American Life League IMO.
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What? McCain voted pro-life the *vast *majority of the time, the numbers differ from source to source depending on what bills they count as pro-life. Just look up pro-life and McCain and you will get a bunch of links to either how pro-life he was or how anti-choice he was, or how anti-woman he was… whatever. Here’s a link to an NPR story which includes some quotes from him.

I am not a fan of McCain’s, but there are more pro-abortion Republicans out there, and no one running (D or R) was as openly and historically pro-abortion as Obama.
 
St_Francis said:
What? McCain voted pro-life the *vast *majority of the time, the numbers differ from source to source depending on what bills they count as pro-life. Just look up pro-life and McCain and you will get a bunch of links to either how pro-life he was or how anti-choice he was, or how anti-woman he was… whatever. Here’s a link to an NPR story which includes some quotes from him.

I am not a fan of McCain’s, but there are more pro-abortion Republicans out there, and no one running (D or R) was as openly and historically pro-abortion as Obama.
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Yes, there is no valid comparison between them that would somehow make them morally equivalent in the eyes of Catholic teaching on life. The two are very far apart.
 
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