Archbishop Chaput of Philly says Notre Dame should honor President Trump

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Suudy said:
I wonder if this is at least somewhat facetious. As pointed out the article, if Notre Dame can honor Obama and Biden because of their apparent social justice efforts–despite their support of abortion–why not honor Trump because of his pro-life efforts, despite his immigration position and others? +Chaput seems to be poking Notre Dame in the eye with these comments. And why not?
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Ahh,I think you might be right.While I voted for Trump,I do know Archbishop Chaput has serious reservations about both candidates.So this makes sense to me ,this is a jab at Notre Dame
 
Jeanne_S said:
Ahh,I think you might be right.While I voted for Trump,I do know Archbishop Chaput has serious reservations about both candidates.So this makes sense to me ,this is a jab at Notre Dame
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That is how I took it.
 
Jersey_Jeepster said:
This is sadly true. However, I don’t see a liberal or conservative approach to Catholicism as being a balance. The Word of Christ should never be politicized. His Truth is the only approach we should take.
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Yes, that all sounds good and well on the surface, but there is a certain unpleasant truth about surface arguments.

Let’s not kids ourselves what the Truth is and who is for it and who is moving against it for the mere sake of being polite or thinking there is some kind of ho-hum balance between the two political parties.

I think it’s way to easy for a people as enlightened and gifted with the Truth as Catholics to sit back and accept “God is neither a republican or a democrat”. That just enables the excuse-making that is crippling our culture.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Ahh,I think you might be right.While I voted for Trump,I do know Archbishop Chaput has serious reservations about both candidates.So this makes sense to me ,this is a jab at Notre Dame
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Well, let me assure that many of us did. That Scalia seat is going to be a real test.

As far as Notre Dame goes, well, they opened that can of worms with President Obama. If they shun President Trump after he picks say Ted Cruz or Ray Moore for the Supreme Court, the optics for ND in the eyes of pro-life, Catholic Trump supporters will be terrible.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Yes, that all sounds good and well on the surface, but you the truth about surface arguments.

Let’s not kids ourselves what the Truth is and who is for it and who is moving against it for the mere sake of being polite or thinking there is some kind of ho-hum balance between the two political parties.
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Let’s also be honest that each party is a mixed bag. One could not have voted for Donald on his own merits, but only because the alternative was worse. So it is not like we have one virtuous candidate and one evil candidate. We have two evil candidates, one is just a lesser evil.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Well, let me assure that many of us did. That Scalia seat is going to be a real test.

As far as Notre Dame goes, well, they opened that can of worms with President Obama. If they shun President Trump after he picks say Ted Cruz or Ray Moore for the Supreme Court, the optics for ND in the eyes of pro-life, Catholic Trump supporters will be terrible.
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To be honest,I too had reservations re Trump as did most of my friends.In the end his list of potential POTUS nominees,the prolife VP pick as well as his prolife advisory board,helped make my decision to support him easier.He has proven thus far to be a man of his word,👍
 
Jeanne_S said:
Ahh,I think you might be right.While I voted for Trump,I do know Archbishop Chaput has serious reservations about both candidates.So this makes sense to me ,this is a jab at Notre Dame
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I’m well aware of Chaput’s reservations about both candidates during the election, so I was a little surprised when I saw this thread. So, this makes much more sense.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Let’s also be honest that each party is a mixed bag. One could not have voted for Donald on his own merits, but only because the alternative was worse. So it is not like we have one virtuous candidate and one evil candidate. We have two evil candidates, one is just a lesser evil.
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We get questions about elections on here from all over the West. Frankly, I think it comes to down the individual and more often than naught, the lesser of two evils.

If there is any group I have criticized for getting Trump even this far, it’s Southern Evangelicals who were Ted Cruz’s firewall. Many minority evangelicals voted in the Democratic primary and many conservative ones voted against Ted Cruz—after years of listening to them bicker about how we stuck with Dole, McCain and Romney.

I go with principle over party and identity.

And you’re right about the GOP—they are getting increasingly uncomfortable especially in suburban areas with opposing so-called gay “marriage” for starters.
 
Suudy said:
I wonder if this is at least somewhat facetious. As pointed out the article, if Notre Dame can honor Obama and Biden because of their apparent social justice efforts–despite their support of abortion–why not honor Trump because of his pro-life efforts, despite his immigration position and others? +Chaput seems to be poking Notre Dame in the eye with these comments. And why not?
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You could be right. I am a big fan of Chaput.
 
Jeanne_S said:
To be honest,I too had reservations re Trump as did most of my friends.In the end his list of potential POTUS nominees,the prolife VP pick as well as his prolife advisory board,helped make my decision to support him easier.He has proven thus far to be a man of his word,👍
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Very true. 🙂
 
SuperLuigi said:
Yes, that all sounds good and well on the surface, but there is a certain unpleasant truth about surface arguments.

Let’s not kids ourselves what the Truth is and who is for it and who is moving against it for the mere sake of being polite or thinking there is some kind of ho-hum balance between the two political parties.

I think it’s way to easy for a people as enlightened and gifted with the Truth as Catholics to sit back and accept “God is neither a republican or a democrat”. That just enables the excuse-making that is crippling our culture.
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There is no “ho-hum balance between the parties.” There are moderates trying to strike that balance, but none of that applies to labeling Christ a liberal or conservative.

Christ is truth, and His Truth runs much deeper than a surface argument. Politics is perception over reality. Christ is reality.
 
Crux editor corrects and clarifies article (which now renders the title of this thread false).

Crux: Editor’s note about Sunday article on Chaput and Trump
Crux editor:
On Sunday, Crux published an article from the Religion News Service by veteran Catholic writer David Gibson about a column written by Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia concerning President Donald Trump. Two things need to be said, one a factual error that needs to be corrected and another a question of interpretation.

First, the factual error.

The RNS story included this line: “[Chaput] suggested that the University of Notre Dame honor Trump with an honorary degree at graduation this spring.”

In fact, the Jan. 27 column by Chaput suggested no such thing.
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Crux editor:
The RNS piece also asserted that Chaput had “denounced” Trump critics. On that point, there’s more latitude for interpretation, and readers will form their own judgments based on the column.
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ctb95 said:
So, you’re equating orthodoxy with supporting/honoring Trump?

I am glad to see that Trump is taking an anti-abortion stance, but he supports other things which I find morally reprehensible.
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Such as?
 
ctb95 said:
reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-climatechange-idUSKBN15906G

From the debates in 2015:
Q: Would you cut departments?
TRUMP: Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace. Every week they come out with new regulations.

Regarding immigration, I’m not for a completely open border or anything. You can reasonably regulate immigration. However, I don’t see how he can simply deport millions of people at the stroke of a pen. Even the other Republicans during the debates said he was crazy. He has characterized Mexicans as rapists and drug dealers with rhetoric that reeks of populism rather than prudential judgement.
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Care to revise your statement on what Trump said about Mexicans? What you wrote is a lie.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Well, let me assure that many of us did. That Scalia seat is going to be a real test.

As far as Notre Dame goes, well, they opened that can of worms with President Obama. If they shun President Trump after he picks say Ted Cruz or Ray Moore for the Supreme Court, the optics for ND in the eyes of pro-life, Catholic Trump supporters will be terrible.
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For the record, Trump said he would appoint someone who advocated the 10th Amendment, a position which produced a unanimous confirmation for Scalia. This is not a pro-life position per se.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Let’s also be honest that each party is a mixed bag. One could not have voted for Donald on his own merits, but only because the alternative was worse. So it is not like we have one virtuous candidate and one evil candidate. We have two evil candidates, one is just a lesser evil.
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this sums it up
 
The right thing to do would be for ND to invite Trump to speak, but not give him an honorary degree.

The other right thing to do, but I doubt the current ND leadership would do this, is to express regrets about giving Obama and Biden honorary degrees. Its fine to invite them, but to honor to pro-abortion rights, pro-gay marriage political figures was wrong.
 
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