Archbishop Chaput of Philly says Notre Dame should honor President Trump

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Michael68 said:
Care to revise your statement on what Trump said about Mexicans? What you wrote is a lie.
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Here ya go.
“When Mexico sends it people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,” You can google ANY source for it.
 
trust me notre dame is not going to honor president trump with anything other than a a court injunction to stay off the campus

and that makes me sad
 
pnewton said:
We need to remember that in the Church, the words carry different meanings. Think of the gas pedal and the brake. If all were brake (conservative) the Church would not go any where.
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There’s been quite a few Liberal Progressives trying to put the brakes on after Trump’s election.

Historically, the Church has been quite Conservative and managed to create the university and hospital systems and send missionaries to the world.

It also managed to facilitate the rise of science, been the greatest facilitator of education and healthcare and help codify canon law which was the precursor to much of civil law as well as begin, fund and develop a plethora of charitable institutions.

Conservative does not mean standing still, it means valuing the traditions and insights of the church and developing them. It also means defending them against such foreign ideologies as National Socialism and Marxist ideology which is disastrous for mankind.

Not all change is good and the Church must fight change when necessary. Sometimes you have to fight bad change to continue the good change sourced from the traditional scriptures and church tradition. This is being Conservative.

In todays age of Liberalism and Progressiveness the Church has gone backwards in many regards as has society in General.

Sometimes if you are going backwards you have to stop first, before you can continue forwards.
 
Suudy said:
I wonder if this is at least somewhat facetious. As pointed out the article, if Notre Dame can honor Obama and Biden because of their apparent social justice efforts–despite their support of abortion–why not honor Trump because of his pro-life efforts, despite his immigration position and others? +Chaput seems to be poking Notre Dame in the eye with these comments. And why not?
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Let’s not sanctify Trump for anything “pro life” yet. Give him a minute. He’s not stable.
 
ctb95 said:
Ah,very interesting. Thanks! By the way, when I asked you where you read Chaput’s comments, I wasn’t challenging you or anything; I was just curious to see what he said.
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If your critizedd by the LA times you have to be doing something right.
 
ProVobis said:
For the record, Trump said he would appoint someone who advocated the 10th Amendment, a position which produced a unanimous confirmation for Scalia. This is not a pro-life position per se.
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I’m not sure that we could get a judge for SCOTUS who would go on record saying he’d dump Roe.

I oppose abortion obviously, but I think a lot of folks set themselves up for violation of expectations.

For one thing, abortion is not Constitutional. No way it passes muster on life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Second, overturning Roe just means it all goes back to the states. I think even Ted Cruz would rule that way.

There’s nothing the Supreme Court can do to ultimately stop abortion. As I have said on here repeatedly, morality cannot be legislated or mandated from the top down.
 
Jersey_Jeepster said:
There really shouldn’t be liberal/progressive or conservative wings in the Church. Christ is not liberal or conservative. He is truth and that is what all religious should teach.
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Actually I think Jesus is a radical – to the left of me (tho I do strive to follow Him). Even his mother, very radical.

I came to that impression re Jesus when I sat down and read the Gospels and Acts in several sittings some 30 years ago.

RE Mary, it came to me one day after saying the Magnificat about a month ago, which I had been saying for decades as part of my daily prayers, but in a flash I came to realize just how radical Mary is.

If one says the Magnificat slowly, without dismissing its words as empty platitudes, you may come to the same conclusion.

So re various “conservative” Catholics, one might question if they are really Catholic. 🙂
 
lynnvinc said:
Actually I think Jesus is a radical – to the left of me (tho I do strive to follow Him). Even his mother, very radical.

I came to that impression re Jesus when I sat down and read the Gospels and Acts in several sittings some 30 years ago.

RE Mary, it came to me one day after saying the Magnificat about a month ago, which I had been saying for decades as part of my daily prayers, but in a flash I came to realize just how radical Mary is.

If one says the Magnificat slowly, without dismissing its words as empty platitudes, you may come to the same conclusion.

So re various “conservative” Catholics, one might question if they are really Catholic. 🙂
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Not sure what you are saying unless I get a better idea of your definitions. What is “conservative” and what is “radical”?
 
lynnvinc said:
Actually I think Jesus is a radical – to the left of me (tho I do strive to follow Him).

So re various “conservative” Catholics, one might question if they are really Catholic. 🙂
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This is over the top. Jesus wasn’t a leftist or a rightist. He was above both.

One can remember some whom Jesus did NOT condemn. Joseph of Arimethea was a wealthy man and a Jewish officeholder besides. No condemnation. A centurion was the leader of 100 soldiers. Roman soldiers were trained to kill and to impose power with absolute force if need be. And yet, Jesus said of one of them that “…greater faith I have not found in all of Israel…” He didn’t tell him to stop being a centurion. Jesus had no condemnation for the vineyard owner whose workers thought him “unfair” in paying latecomers the same as the early workers. He told people to “render to Caesar”; a far worse man than the far left even imagines Trump to be.

And, of course, He did reprove those who ignored the beam in their own eyes while noting the speck in their brother’s eye.

And He wasn’t too approving of those who conflated their politics with religion.
 
JoyIsLikeRain said:
Let’s not sanctify Trump for anything “pro life” yet. Give him a minute. He’s not stable.
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Well, he did reinstitute the “Mexico City Policy” requiring U.S. aid agencies to refrain from funding or promoting abortion in foreign lands, and hasn’t reversed it yet, has he? Seems stable so far.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Well, he did reinstitute the “Mexico City Policy” requiring U.S. aid agencies to refrain from funding or promoting abortion in foreign lands, and hasn’t reversed it yet, has he? Seems stable so far.
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Any other of the republican candidates could and would have done the same thing, though. 🤷
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Any other of the republican candidates could and would have done the same thing, though. 🤷
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Probably. But the charge was that Trump is unstable and won’t stick with anything prolife. My only point was that he reinstituted it and has not reversed his position on it.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I’m not sure that we could get a judge for SCOTUS who would go on record saying he’d dump Roe.

I oppose abortion obviously, but I think a lot of folks set themselves up for violation of expectations.

For one thing, abortion is not Constitutional. No way it passes muster on life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Second, overturning Roe just means it all goes back to the states. I think even Ted Cruz would rule that way.

There’s nothing the Supreme Court can do to ultimately stop abortion. As I have said on here repeatedly, morality cannot be legislated or mandated from the top down.
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I agree with everything you state here. Personally I wish a move to amend the Constitution were made to address the problem. There are far too many other issues for the Supreme Court to deal with.
 
Who cares at this point? Notre Dame, Georgetown…these are not Catholic schools and Catholics should not support them. Former Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh scourged Catholicism from the university and did so for other formerly Catholic schools, too. He also brought in pro-abortion members to the BOD of ND. He was as anti-Catholic as it gets.
 
RCinMT said:
Who cares at this point? Notre Dame, Georgetown…these are not Catholic schools and Catholics should not support them
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I checked on this. Both have to have a priest as leader. Are you sure they are not Catholic schools? If not, the why did AB Chaput say what he did?
 
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