Archbishop Chaput: Other moral issues not equivalent to abortion

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Philadelphia, Pa., Aug 10, 2015 / 04:28 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Of the many struggles plaguing modern society, none can be equated with the blatant taking of innocent human lives, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia said regarding the latest investigative videos of Planned Parenthood.
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“Here’s a simple exercise in basic reasoning. On a spectrum of bad things to do, theft is bad, assault is worse and murder is worst. There’s a similar texture of ill will connecting all three crimes, but only a very confused conscience would equate thieving and homicide,” he said in his August 10 column for Catholic Philly.
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“Both are serious matters. But there is no equivalence. The deliberate killing of innocent life is a uniquely wicked act. No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure that.”
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Chaput expresses himself in one manner; Cupich and the Pope does another.

I believe they are both correct in their own way.
 
Chaput is pulling the thread out of the seamless linen garment theory.

Yes they are both right in their own way. It is like the person that says murder is more serious than birth control. Yes, but they are both sins that are grave enough to exclude you from Heaven. In the end, neither will prosper. One should evoke a greater sense of outrage than the other, but they are all soul-killers.
 
Windmill said:
Chaput is pulling the thread out of the seamless linen garment theory.

Yes they are both right in their own way. It is like the person that says murder is more serious than birth control. Yes, but they are both sins that are grave enough to exclude you from Heaven. In the end, neither will prosper. One should evoke a greater sense of outrage than the other, but they are all soul-killers.
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I think a point of inference about his comments are to take away this nonsense that Western liberal Catholics use to vote for anti-life, anti-marriage politicians.

Excuses like “I’m voting Democratic/Labour/Socialist Democrat because we’re aborting the environment” and “I’m concerned with helping the poor” or “I want to support my union”. It may be more accurate to say there is more to it than that–meaning what it’s really about is impressing some worldly person or trying to show that even though person A is Catholic, they are “enlightened” on these other issues. :rolleyes:

It’s also worth speculating that these folks also fold easily on issues like so-called gay “marriage” and abortion and get angry and want us to be silent on social issues, write out government checks and never question why they get them or else we are hateful, racist bigots who hate women and children :rolleyes:
 
He also quotes from Living the Gospel of Life…
“Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community”
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The article also speaks to those Catholic politicians who say things like they are ‘personally against abortion or they support traditional marriage but it’s the law of the land now so hey what can I do’.
 
ringil said:
Chaput expresses himself in one manner; Cupich and the Pope does another.

I believe they are both correct in their own way.
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Actually, what Archbishop Chaput says is the definitive teaching of the Church.
 
Windmill said:
Chaput is pulling the thread out of the seamless linen garment theory.

Yes they are both right in their own way. It is like the person that says murder is more serious than birth control. Yes, but they are both sins that are grave enough to exclude you from Heaven. In the end, neither will prosper. One should evoke a greater sense of outrage than the other, but they are all soul-killers.
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Thank God, too. The seamless garment, if by that you mean that abortion and, say, immigrant rights form a seamless moral garment of equal import, is truly a heresy. If you have a choice between a candidate who is bad on immigrant rights or the environment, but is good on abortion, then that candidate is objectively better than the pro-choice guy who happens to be fair about immigrants and the environment.

That might make some liberal Catholics scream, but it is the teaching of the Church. Catholics should also support care for the environment or whatever, but there is a clear moral hierarchy that should guide especially our politics.
 
ringil said:
Chaput expresses himself in one manner; Cupich and the Pope does another.

I believe they are both correct in their own way.
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I didn’t yet hear about pope Francis supporting “seamless garment”.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I think a point of inference about his comments are to take away this nonsense that Western liberal Catholics use to vote for anti-life, anti-marriage politicians.
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Havent posted "The List " in a while

EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS
  1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
  5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  16. The Pro-Life movement is in the tank for the Republican party (even though all pro-life legislation has had the overwhelming support of Republicans and overwhelming opposition from Democrats), so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party
  17. All people sin, so we’re all really “Cafeteria Catholics”, so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  18. Dominionists attend GOP rallies so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician
  19. The Pope believes in Global warming, the Pro-life candidate does not so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician
 
Abortion is the most important issue, being a life or death issue for helpless, innocent preborn
children. It is right to put great emphasis on this issue and talk about it all the time.
 
jaimeleglise said:
Abortion is the most important issue, being a life or death issue for helpless, innocent preborn
children. It is right to put great emphasis on this issue and talk about it all the time.
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Without the right to life all other rights are meaningless
 
Bob,

I’m not really comfortable voting Republican, either. But what Chaput is saying, I think, is that you are simply wrong to support a green candidate over a pro-life one, even though protecting the environment is an authentically Catholic value. The problem is that Republicans aren’t really pro-life, and so you are left with two parties that ostensibly embrace the culture of death. Maybe Republicans are marginally better, but I have a hard time feeling okay about supporting either.
 
ringil said:
Chaput expresses himself in one manner; Cupich and the Pope does another.

I believe they are both correct in their own way.
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We are very blessed to have such a good and holy Shepard as Archbishop Chaput.He as usual is spot on.👍
 
Colorad007 said:
Bob,

I’m not really comfortable voting Republican, either. But what Chaput is saying, I think, is that you are simply wrong to support a green candidate over a pro-life one, even though protecting the environment is an authentically Catholic value. The problem is that Republicans aren’t really pro-life, and so you are left with two parties that ostensibly embrace the culture of death. Maybe Republicans are marginally better, but I have a hard time feeling okay about supporting either.
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Windmill said:
Chaput is pulling the thread out of the seamless linen garment theory.

Yes they are both right in their own way. It is like the person that says murder is more serious than birth control. Yes, but they are both sins that are grave enough to exclude you from Heaven. In the end, neither will prosper. One should evoke a greater sense of outrage than the other, but they are all soul-killers.
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Which should evoke greater sense of outrage?:

A. Candidate that favors the ability of one person to murder a limited class of persons yet favors restrictions on artificial contraception.

B. Candidate that favors unrestricted access/promotion of artificial contraception (approx. 10,000,000 in number) yet is against the murder of anyone.

Candidate A favors 1 person to go to hell but the other favors 10,000,000 to go to hell?
 
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