Archbishop Chaput: shutting down charitable services is 'very much a possibility' [CWN]
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Catherine_S
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No one will be able to say they were not warned by those, such as Archbishop Chaput, who has been speaking out for some time on what is unfolding at this point in time…
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"The most important thing [Catholics] can do is realize that constitutional guarantees are just scraps of elegant prose* unless people fight** to keep them alive. This country has no special immunity to anti-religious bigotry in our courts and legislatures. If we don’t press our lawmakers to** defend** the rights of religious believers and communities, then we’ll** lose** those rights. It’s already happening."*
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"The most important thing [Catholics] can do is realize that constitutional guarantees are just scraps of elegant prose* unless people fight** to keep them alive. This country has no special immunity to anti-religious bigotry in our courts and legislatures. If we don’t press our lawmakers to** defend** the rights of religious believers and communities, then we’ll** lose** those rights. It’s already happening."*
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manualman
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This is the approach that Catholic Charities in Illinois took after the gay ‘civil unions’ law was passed and immediately used to REQUIRE all adoption agencies to not ‘discriminate’ against gay couples in their adoption policies. As I understand it, Catholic Charities throughout Illinois folded up like a wet noodle and got out of the adoption service ministry.
WHY?? Why can’t we have our hospitals and things simply continue operating in defiance of the HHS law until Obama’s thugs show up at the door to collect their fines and shut the place down? Why not show the world that THEY are the bad guys shutting down vital charitable ministries, not us?
WHY?? Why can’t we have our hospitals and things simply continue operating in defiance of the HHS law until Obama’s thugs show up at the door to collect their fines and shut the place down? Why not show the world that THEY are the bad guys shutting down vital charitable ministries, not us?
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_Abyssinia
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HHS mandate has to be rescinded, there are currently 9 lawsuits against it.
Obama has to go in January 2013. I can not believe how any Catholic could vote for Barack Obama after the position he has put Catholic institutions in; how can any Catholic vote for Barack Obama when Catholic charities could be forced to shut down!
Obama has to go in January 2013. I can not believe how any Catholic could vote for Barack Obama after the position he has put Catholic institutions in; how can any Catholic vote for Barack Obama when Catholic charities could be forced to shut down!
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Dawnia
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Do you have links for the nine lawsuits?
There are the ones at the SCOTUS level and the one in Texas at the appellate level. What are the others?
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Corki
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There’s the joint suit by EWTN and the state of Alabama too.
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JimG
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Here is a list of some of the lawsuits. I don’t think it includes the ones filed by private companies.
healthcarelawsuits.org/blog/detail.php?c=2787210&t=Universities%2C-TV-Network%2C-and-States-File-Lawsuits-Against-HHS-Mandate
healthcarelawsuits.org/blog/detail.php?c=2787210&t=Universities%2C-TV-Network%2C-and-States-File-Lawsuits-Against-HHS-Mandate
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Dawnia
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Thank you. I expect there will be a lot more if the law isn’t shot down.
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Megan7
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I agree with you! Thanks for your post & thread!
This whole thing makes me sick!:bighanky:
But the thing is that there are people out there trying to reach Catholics, “wolves dressed
in sheeps clothing” I recently watched a video that exposed some fake Catholic organizations, that mislead Catholics to vote for things they normally would not vote for.
I will try to post a link to the video.
In any case, I am posting a link to the most influential person of the year, Cardinal Dolan is on the list.
I think its important to vote for him, to give him some clout, so the POTUS sees that the Church is still relevant. Cardinal Dolan, as head of the US College of Bishops has an uphill battle trying to fight the HHS mandate
Again, he needs some clout to be able to fight this EVIL!!!Here is the link, please VOTE DEFINITELY YES, we only have until the end of Good Friday, April 6th, some people say we can vote until Saturday, but lets not risk it.
time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2107952_2107953_2109596,00.html
Thanks so much,
We need to educate Catholic voters on this issue, or else we are in big trouble!
“THEY” have a big machinery behind the scenes, trying to increase the culture
of DEATH & destroy the Catholic Church at all costs!
EWTN has helped many convert to the Faith, they could end up gone, lots of soup kitchens, shelters, etc. could all vanish. What about our beloved CAF?
Write to your representatives, write to your Bishops, educate other Catholics, and
PRAY A LOT!!!
God Bless,
Pax,
Megan
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Dale_M
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Neither of those points are true. The Catholic Charities of Illinois did fight the matter in court, but they had a losing hand.
The law did not require all adoption agencies to provide services to gay couples. The law applied only to adoption agencies which provided adoption services as part of a government contract. If Catholic Charities had wanted to raise their operating expenses privately, they could have continued to provide adoption services.
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Megan7
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Once again, thanks for your post!
You mentioned, how can any catholic vote for Obama?
Well, please click on this
Youtube video, it is the product of over 600 hours of research,
Regardless whether you like or dislike this particular speaker, it should not matter, because the information is crucial. The details disclosed here should help us out to realize why we are facing this EVIL situation. It explains clearly what has taken place in previous elections. Obviously, this will affect the next election as well. We need to spread
this video & educate our Catholic friends, relatives, etc. Most people do not realize this.
People assume that if an organization has the word Catholic in it, that it is, but even when
you look at a so called Catholic University like Georgetown University, is it Catholic? When it has & supports Gay & Lesbian clubs/organizations on campus, etc.?
Lots of fraudulent Catholic groups, that call themselves Catholics, but they are NOT Catholic, they cannot be Catholic, if they are doing everything against Catholic teaching.
Please take the time to watch this, please pass it on.
Basically, if you see a political organization calling themselves Catholic, you should be very carefull, because it does not mean they are following Catholic Dogma, teaching.
Some of these so called Catholic organizations are not true Catholic organizations,
if they are going against the Church teaching, and Holy Mother Church.
The video will quote the Catholic Cathechism, and show a very sad truth, reality…
A lot of money is being used to fund these so called Catholic organizations, to help/influence Catholics vote against Catholic Dogma. This is how it has happened!
They have been brainwashed!
Please pass it on:
youtube.com/watch?v=uFYCNKi-BhA
Thank you,
God Bless,
Have a Blessed Resurrection/Easter Sunday,
Pax,
Megan
We have to be & act like the Church Militant!
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manualman
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Are you sure of that? I’m pretty sure they ceased providing any and all adoption services as a result of the law. I do recall the court battle and losing, but I’m not aware of them being eligible to continue operating for private clients. My understanding was that they were prohibited from doing so on a civil rights challenge based on the civil union law. No?
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Dale_M
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The judge’s ruling concerned whether Catholic Charities had a right to have their government contracts renewed.
chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-catholic-charities-0819-20110819,0,7997624.story
So while Catholic Charities did stop providing adoption services because of the civil unions law, another issue was how to pay for adoption services in the absence of government funding.
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manualman
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Ah, I see. The government establishes a massive regulatory framework around adoption, “solves” the problem of resultant enormous adoption costs by funding social service agencies, then denies that funding to any agency that refuses to accede to the state’s moral judgements about who can be an adoptive parent.
But the state has NOT forced catholic charities out of the adoption business.
You make good technical points, but you missed the big picture, IMO.
But the state has NOT forced catholic charities out of the adoption business.
You make good technical points, but you missed the big picture, IMO.
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Dale_M
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Perhaps there is a silver lining to the ruling. Many conservatives wish to shrink the size of government. In the past three decades, taxes have been cut but the size of government hasn’t. We have financed the tax cuts by borrowing money, something which can’t continue.Ah, I see. The government establishes a massive regulatory framework around adoption, “solves” the problem of resultant enormous adoption costs by funding social service agencies, then denies that funding to any agency that refuses to accede to the state’s moral judgements about who can be an adoptive parent.
But the state has NOT forced catholic charities out of the adoption business.
You make good technical points, but you missed the big picture, IMO.
Shrinking government requires cutting services provided by government. Such cuts will be politically difficult if government funds are necessary to get such services. The thing to do is to provide the services via private funds. For instance, if Catholic Charities raised its own money and ran its adoption programs privately, there would be less need for government funded adoption programs.
I think that is the big picture.
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manualman
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But you haven’t addressed the cumbersome mandates established that prompted to funding in the first place. Prospective adoptive parents must have thousands of dollars of professional social worker evaluations done on them before qualifying for adoption under mandated rules. I realize these were established to try to protect children, but erecting a financial barrier to good parents adopting kids is NOT doing orphans a very big favor, especially if that barrier is offset by state financial aid ONLY to those agencies whose policies on adoptive parents are “politically correct.”
When catholic charities first got into the adoption ministry many decades ago, there were no such government erected barriers to wannabe parents and responsible parents didn’t need to have 5 extra figures in the bank to adopt. Today the whole thing reeks of child purchasing due to the bureacratization of it all.
All that said, we’ve made a bit of a tanget, huh?
When catholic charities first got into the adoption ministry many decades ago, there were no such government erected barriers to wannabe parents and responsible parents didn’t need to have 5 extra figures in the bank to adopt. Today the whole thing reeks of child purchasing due to the bureacratization of it all.
All that said, we’ve made a bit of a tanget, huh?
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ProVobis
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Point taken but even if the mandate is declared unconstitutional at the federal level, states may still be able to impose their own mandates that could force Catholic charities to fold I would think.
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Dale_M
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I admit, I am not familiar with the adoption process. But if the costs of social worker evaluations was defrayed for the parent before, couldn’t it be defrayed for them in the future? Are you saying that the social worker evaluations are unnecessary? I guess I don’t understand your point.
Gosh, I hope not. I think we are still on topic. The central issue, as I see it, is one of Catholic identity vs government funding. If an agency or organization identifies as being Catholic, but government rules are contrary to Catholic values, then I think it makes sense for the Catholic agency to go its own way. Perhaps that is no longer financially feasible? I dunno.
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Corki
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Gosh, I hope not. I think we are still on topic. The central issue, as I see it, is one of Catholic identity vs government funding. If an agency or organization identifies as being Catholic, but government rules are contrary to Catholic values, then I think it makes sense for the Catholic agency to go its own way. Perhaps that is no longer financially feasible? I dunno.
The problem with adoption is that most adoptions come by way of the foster care system. If an agency wants to place children who are currently in foster care, it must contract with the state. That’s where the social worker evaluations come in too. The only way, in a state like Illinois, that the Church can continue to provide adoption services is to only work directly with parents who are voluntarily putting their children up for adoption. This leaves out so many of the children who are most in need.
It’s not that the Church has to give up doing adoptions altogether. She can still facilitate private adoptions. If the HHS issue stands, however, the Church would also have to move services such as adoption, counseling and other social service missions out of Catholic Social Services and have them provided directly by diocisan employees or by the parishes. The chancery and the parish would be exempt but CSS would not.
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