Archbishop Fellay: offer of a personal prelature under consideration

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An “important step” was taken when Pozzo made a previous declaration that “certain texts of the Council did not constitute criteria for Catholicity.” Among these, he said, are texts related to religious freedom, relations with non-Christian religions, ecumenism and liturgical reform.
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“If we were able to determine that this is the line of the whole Church and not of one person or another, that would be decisive,” he said, but cautioned that there are still several “red lines” the Society isn’t yet willing to cross.
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These lines, he said, are drawn when it comes to documents outlining “the way in which ecumenism is practiced, including statements very dangerous for the faith, that make you think all have the same faith; the liturgical question or the relationship between the Church and the State.”
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“All these are issues on which we will not yield. This is not a matter of a position or personal point of view, or only peculiar to our congregation,” he said, adding that the Society upholds “what the Church has already taught and defined on those issues.”
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I’ll still believe it when I see it. Everything is still predicated upon the Vatican allowing the Society to openly reject parts of the 2nd Vatican Council that they consider errors.
 
Just have to see if Fellay and the society are willing to humble themselves.

One think which might help is taking down the very negative stuff on their site related to the Church and the Bishops.
 
Seamus_L said:
I’ll still believe it when I see it. Everything is still predicated upon the Vatican allowing the Society to openly reject parts of the 2nd Vatican Council that they consider errors.
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which they are not going to do, there is nothing wrong with the second Vatican council

this is just another case of certain people thinking they know better than the pope and the church
 
There is a traditional group (canonically regular/ in union with the Pope) called the Institute of the Good Shepherd (IBP in french). They got papal approval to criticize Vatican 2 and its reforms. It was created in 2010 under Pope Benedict XVI. I think something can happen with the SSPX the same way.
 
It is interesting how the “liberal” Pope Francis might wind up accomplishing what the “conservative” Pope Benedict could not.

Either this will be a “Nixon goes to China” moment or shows that the current Pope cannot be stuffed into an ideological box, not anymore than his predecessors could be.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
It is interesting how the “liberal” Pope Francis might wind up accomplishing what the “conservative” Pope Benedict could not.

Either this will be a “Nixon goes to China” moment or shows that the current Pope cannot be stuffed into an ideological box, not anymore than his predecessors could be.
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I have found this to be very interesting as well. I hope that Pope Francis will succeed in his endeavors.
 
Breath not held but fingers crossed. Lots of chatter about this every couple months but no change yet.

it would benifit my faith and my family a lot.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
It is interesting how the “liberal” Pope Francis might wind up accomplishing what the “conservative” Pope Benedict could not.

Either this will be a “Nixon goes to China” moment or shows that the current Pope cannot be stuffed into an ideological box, not anymore than his predecessors could be.
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Despite your cheap shot against Pope Benedict XVI, a well loved and respected pope, a reasonable and thoughtful observer would conclude that this on-going dialogue was initiated by pope John Paul II, continued by pope Benedict XVI and by now pope Francis. The current progress would not be where it is today without the involvements of all these three popes. To imply otherwise is incorrect, and quite frankly, dishonest.
 
Randolph said:
Despite your cheap shot against Pope Benedict XVI, a well loved and respected pope, a reasonable and thoughtful observer would conclude that this on-going dialogue was initiated by pope John Paul II, continued by pope Benedict XVI and by now pope Francis. The current progress would not be where it is today without the involvements of all these three popes. To imply otherwise is incorrect, and quite frankly, dishonest.
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I don’t think this is meant as a cheap shot at Pope Benedict. I love Benedict and I too am surprised that reunification may happen under Pope Francis rather than Pope Benedict. But, perhaps Benedict and JP2 simply laid the groundwork for what we’re seeing today.
 
Randolph said:
Despite your cheap shot against Pope Benedict XVI, a well loved and respected pope, a reasonable and thoughtful observer would conclude that this on-going dialogue was initiated by pope John Paul II, continued by pope Benedict XVI and by now pope Francis. The current progress would not be where it is today without the involvements of all these three popes. To imply otherwise is incorrect, and quite frankly, dishonest.
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ctb95 said:
I don’t think this is meant as a cheap shot at Pope Benedict. I love Benedict and I too am surprised that reunification may happen under Pope Francis rather than Pope Benedict. But, perhaps Benedict and JP2 simply laid the groundwork for what we’re seeing today.
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I was certainly not trying to criticize Pope Benedict. I actually think this idea that Pope Benedict was “conservative” and Pope Francis is “liberal” is very reductionist, and just shows the politicized mindset of the person using those terms.

I agree with both of you that if the SSPX is brought back into the fold then the Popes preceding Pope Francis certainly played a role in it.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
I was certainly not trying to criticize Pope Benedict. I actually think this idea that Pope Benedict was “conservative” and Pope Francis is “liberal” is very reductionist, and just shows the politicized mindset of the person using those terms.

I agree with both of you that if the SSPX is brought back into the fold then the Popes preceding Pope Francis certainly played a role in it.
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Thank you for the clarification. I misunderstood your comment. My apologies… Indeed, I hope and pray that this dialogue will work out and bring unity to the Church.
 
Randolph said:
Thank you for the clarification. I misunderstood your comment. My apologies… Indeed, I hope and pray that this dialogue will work out and bring unity to the Church.
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Apology accepted. 🙂
 
If this happens, and they become a Personal Prelature similar to Opus Dei, can an everyday Catholic then attend their churches (and send their children to their schools), and still be in good standing with the Roman Catholic Church (Pope, Magisterium, Holy See’)?
 
irishpatrick said:
If this happens, and they become a Personal Prelature similar to Opus Dei, can an everyday Catholic then attend their churches (and send their children to their schools), and still be in good standing with the Roman Catholic Church (Pope, Magisterium, Holy See’)?
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I’m sure.
Why wouldn’t it be that way?
 
Wonder if Fellay (is it improper to refer to him as Archbishop?) might be concerned that Rome might be duping SSPX in order to perhaps close all their churches and facilities?
 
RCinMT said:
Wonder if Fellay (is it improper to refer to him as Archbishop?) might be concerned that Rome might be duping SSPX in order to perhaps close all their churches and facilities?
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You may call him Archbishop since he is a valid bishop. He might of had those thoughts, but probably not now.
 
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