Archbishop Gomez, in congressional testimony, calls for passage of DREAM Act [CWN]
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Oh swell. Another bishop involving himself in politics. Well, frankly, Scarlett …
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Julian_Bashir
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Politics should remain separate from religion, unless it is supported by a majority of liberals in Congress and the White House.
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BobDanners
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Ugh…whatever happened to “I am not of this world” and CCC Pgph # 2241?
Just a thought.
Well for one, I don’t think a nation who’s middle class is ranked 27th in the Global Wealth Data Book and has reached the highest point on the misery index since 1983…along with chronic 7-8% unemployment is considered “prosperous”
Which they are through visas…we cannot be blamed that they fail to renew their visas or refuse to leave after their visas have expired.
and may I be frank? How do immigrants do this, when they break our immigration laws and demand the nation cater to their demands, such as demanding their language to spoken instead of learning English?
Just a thought.
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I believe I am for the dream act. I would have to see the particulars. If those who came as children are still children their parents should stay here also to care for them obviously. If they are adults are their parents allowed to stay?
This could fit into what I had in mind for the wider topic of illegal immigrants. Of course we are told to feed the hungry give drink to the thirsty and clothe the naked. Jesus was not speaking to governments. Governments are not going to be judged when Jesus returns; individuals are. The Archbishop is head of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. He could order an audit to see how much land the Archdiocese owns and how much could be put to use for this very thing. Housing could be built for those needy people. Another audit could be done to see how much money could be better used to feed and clothe those who are in need. If the Archbishop would take the Pope’s lead maybe, if he lives in a large house it could be divided into either rooms for some of those in need or the offices where people could teach those who are receiving help that they must learn to be good citizens and not take the charity for granted. The Archdiocese could give classes to the adults so that they may be gainfully employed and leave the Diocese housing and then those people can in turn give back to this charity to help others yet to come . We need to all help and IMHO keep the government out of it. I have other thoughts on the matter but this is a start.
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This could fit into what I had in mind for the wider topic of illegal immigrants. Of course we are told to feed the hungry give drink to the thirsty and clothe the naked. Jesus was not speaking to governments. Governments are not going to be judged when Jesus returns; individuals are. The Archbishop is head of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. He could order an audit to see how much land the Archdiocese owns and how much could be put to use for this very thing. Housing could be built for those needy people. Another audit could be done to see how much money could be better used to feed and clothe those who are in need. If the Archbishop would take the Pope’s lead maybe, if he lives in a large house it could be divided into either rooms for some of those in need or the offices where people could teach those who are receiving help that they must learn to be good citizens and not take the charity for granted. The Archdiocese could give classes to the adults so that they may be gainfully employed and leave the Diocese housing and then those people can in turn give back to this charity to help others yet to come . We need to all help and IMHO keep the government out of it. I have other thoughts on the matter but this is a start.
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Why shouldn’t an Archbishop give testimony? He sees what is happening to the poor and marginalized in his Archdiocese. Should he not speak for them? When Archbishop Dolan speaks about the HHS Mandate is he too political? Catholics can not afford to think in terms of right-left, democrat-republican. We are for what is right and true and just.
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Ender, nothing more need be said.
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livingwordunity
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I respect him doing this. I just don’t want to hear another peep from liberals who applaud this and attempts to ban capital punishment but say that bishops have no right to give their opinion on other matters (abortion, SSM, euthanasia, etc.).
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BobDanners
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I agree, something must be done. But how many times has amnesty been given (anyone remember the 80s?) and has resulted in same mess we are in? We hear about the poor illegal immigrants, but let’s be realistic. The only reason the political parties are talking about them, is because they see potential votes nothing more.
What about the poor indebted youths who can’t find work?
or the poor American family that was once middle-class but is now struggling to eek out a living.
Idk about you, but when I read about some 70% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck and wages being stagnant for years, and fuel and food prices rising…I tend to wonder, where are the bishops speaking for us struggling American citizens?
Only His Holiness has said anything that speaks to me regarding us burdened youth.
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Because this is a political issue, not a moral one. The fact that people’s lives will be affected by the choices the politicians make does not mean those choices are between moral and immoral proposals any more than doctors who disagree over a diagnosis and treatment are involved in moral choices.
He is not speaking for the poor. The two sides here are not separated into those who support the poor and those who dismiss them; they are separated by different beliefs about what consequences different proposals would have. This is no more a moral choice than believing we should turn right at the light instead of left.
No because in that case there really is an issue that affects the church. In that case there are obligations placed on church entities that are contrary to Catholic doctrine. Just because most issues in which the bishops involve themselves are inappropriate doesn’t mean they all are.
The problem is that - as with most political issues - there is no clear choice between the different options. For example: should the minimum wage be increased? No one knows the real effect such an action would have. We all speculate based on our perceptions of how the world works but there is nothing here to tell us what is “right and true and just.” The same is true of immigration. It is a political issue with serious consequences but it does not present us with moral decisions.
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I don’t understand why the bishops aren’t concerned about low-wage American workers having their wages depressed and kept down by a steady flow of illegal aliens who will simply work for less, and many of whom are not even here permanently just want to save a nest egg to bring home to Mexico in a few years. The bishops don’t seem to have a handle on the economics or the big picture of illegal aliens, yet they’re making policy recommendations anyway.
They did the same thing with Obamacare, basically saying to the Democrats “well, we support Obamacare, just make sure it doesn’t fund aborton, ok?” And all the Democrats said “Oh, okay!” and tried not to laugh out loud.
Same thing with Nancy Pelosi, and her private catechism lessons. “See Nancy, abortion is killing.” and she says “Huh? - wait, hold that thought - I’m late for a vote on an abortion bill - we’ll have to continue this dialog after Mass this Sunday, ok?”
These guys never learn. They’re out of their element in hardball politics. They’re going to keep getting taken to the cleaners by the politicians every time. Sad. Meanwhile millions of ignorant Catholics keep skipping Mass every week and keep voting for Obama and the Democrats, who keep voting for abortion, gay marriage, free condoms from Planned Parenthood, …
I’d like to see the bishops take the resources [we give them which] they’re sinking into promoting their idea of good immigration policy and focus them instead on educating their own disoriented flock.
They did the same thing with Obamacare, basically saying to the Democrats “well, we support Obamacare, just make sure it doesn’t fund aborton, ok?” And all the Democrats said “Oh, okay!” and tried not to laugh out loud.
Same thing with Nancy Pelosi, and her private catechism lessons. “See Nancy, abortion is killing.” and she says “Huh? - wait, hold that thought - I’m late for a vote on an abortion bill - we’ll have to continue this dialog after Mass this Sunday, ok?”
These guys never learn. They’re out of their element in hardball politics. They’re going to keep getting taken to the cleaners by the politicians every time. Sad. Meanwhile millions of ignorant Catholics keep skipping Mass every week and keep voting for Obama and the Democrats, who keep voting for abortion, gay marriage, free condoms from Planned Parenthood, …
I’d like to see the bishops take the resources [we give them which] they’re sinking into promoting their idea of good immigration policy and focus them instead on educating their own disoriented flock.
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BobDanners
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Idk why either, but I’m getting tired of it as well.
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Matilda_Bennett
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