Archbishop installs 4 married bishops

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Oh boy this is scary…why didnt ROME just kick him out way back when???
 
Well, could be worse things than married bishops. But yeah I agree it does look like the beginning of a schism like the Pious X Society.
 
homewardbound said:
Well, could be worse things than married bishops. But yeah I agree it does look like the beginning of a schism like the Pious X Society.
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Yes, a schism, but not like SSPX.

I think many can successfully argue that Archbishop Lefebvre was mentally stable.

This guy seems to wish to ignore an Ecumenically Council that limits the episcopacy to celibate men.

Now while the SSPX has come to disregard somethings that are infallible I do not think it is the same sort of thing.

This one is a joke and I highly doubt that it will have the following that the SSPX has.
 
Bishop Lefebrve held firm to the teachings of the Church, and many will argue that he did not go into schism.

This Archbishop on the other hand is blatantly violating a well-defined teaching of the Church.

But I do think many groups will be splitting off in the near future.
 
frommi said:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060925/ap_on_re_us/archbishop_marriage_2

Not good…other sources in the blogosphere are saying that Milingo did indeed ordain these men bishops. Which similar to the Society of Pius X, does give them a legitimate claim to the apostolic bloodline.

Yikes.
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I don’t get this.
  1. Only one of these men is identified in the article as a cleric - Rev. Stallings. Doesn’t the Sacrament of Holy Orders itself require prior ordination to the levels of Deacon and Priest?
  2. While Bishop Milingo is a Roman Catholic bishop, the men he ordained aren’t even Roman Catholic. From the article, “The four men claim affiliation to the breakaway Synod of Old Catholic Churches.” While they might be validly ordained and have apostolic succession, wouldn’t it take more than that to make them members of the RCC? Since they are not RCC bishops, does this mean that the Pope does not have any authority to discipline them?
  3. The article has a link back to Milingo’s own site “Married Priests Now”. It claims that there are 15,000 married priests just waiting to serve the Church. Where did these priests come from? Are they laicized priests? Or priests who left their ministries without going through the laicization process? Either way, I am not sure this is a group of people that the Church would even want to have back in ministry regardless of marital status. They have already shown themselves to be lacking in terms of vocation, obedience and faithfulness.
Does anyone have any links where we can find more information?
 
Caesar said:
Bishop Lefebrve held firm to the teachings of the Church, and many will argue that he did not go into schism.

This Archbishop on the other hand is blatantly violating a well-defined teaching of the Church.

But I do think many groups will be splitting off in the near future.
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They are both more or less the same deal…both men chose of their own volition (sp?) to ordain bishops without a mandate from the Pope. That puts you in schism.

I don’t think we can measure this schism or that schism as “a little schism” or a “big schism”
 
frommi said:
They are both more or less the same deal…both men chose of their own volition (sp?) to ordain bishops without a mandate from the Pope. That puts you in schism.

I don’t think we can measure this schism or that schism as “a little schism” or a “big schism”
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Its like being a “little” pregnant. Dont make sense.
 
ByzCath said:
Yes, a schism, but not like SSPX.

I think many can successfully argue that Archbishop Lefebvre was mentally stable.

This guy seems to wish to ignore an Ecumenically Council that limits the episcopacy to celibate men.

Now while the SSPX has come to disregard somethings that are infallible I do not think it is the same sort of thing.

This one is a joke and I highly doubt that it will have the following that the SSPX has.
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As I understand the article, Milingo et al. are now aligned with the Old Catholics. So they’re not “creating” a schism; they’ve joined an old one.
 
mercygate said:
As I understand the article, Milingo et al. are now aligned with the Old Catholics. So they’re not “creating” a schism; they’ve joined an old one.
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Some reports are saying he ordained these men bishops…which he can do…albeit illicitly…the ordination will not be ‘invalid’ by the traditions of the church…thus you have a schism.
 
frommi said:
Some reports are saying he ordained these men bishops…which he can do…albeit illicitly…the ordination will not be ‘invalid’ by the traditions of the church…thus you have a schism.
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The Old Catholics have been in schism for more than 130 years. What’s your point?
 
mercygate said:
The Old Catholics have been in schism for more than 130 years. What’s your point?
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The Old Catholics didn’t have any claim to apostolic succession…now they do…that’s what makes a difference.
 
WanderAimlessly said:
I hope a swift excommunication is coming.

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Color me dumb. (1) can a bishop be excommunicated? (2) if so, who can excommunicate a bishop? (2) who can ordain a bishop? (4) has a bishop been excommunicated for ordaining another bishop?
 
Corki said:
I don’t get this.
  1. Only one of these men is identified in the article as a cleric - Rev. Stallings. Doesn’t the Sacrament of Holy Orders itself require prior ordination to the levels of Deacon and Priest?
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Rev Stallings? Sounds like a blast from the past. I recall a priest, Fr Stallings, who was defrocked and left the Catholic Church to start his own church, where he ordained women, got married,(later divorced) and preached that contraception and homosexual acts were OK.

Is this the same guy?
 
OriginalJS said:
Color me dumb. (1) can a bishop be excommunicated? (2) if so, who can excommunicate a bishop? (2) who can ordain a bishop? (4) has a bishop been excommunicated for ordaining another bishop?
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  1. yes 2) in this case, the Bishop excommunicated himself by his actions but the Vatican will probably publicly “confirm” the excommunication at some point 3) any Bishop can validly ordain a priest to be a bishop. He only does this licitly with express direction and permission from the Vatican 4) yes, the most notable being Bishop Leferbve (Sp?). He also ordained Bishops without the proper permissions and incurred excommunication because of it. The current state of the SSPX is a result of that incident.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Rev Stallings? Sounds like a blast from the past. I recall a priest, Fr Stallings, who was defrocked and left the Catholic Church to start his own church, where he ordained women, got married,(later divorced) and preached that contraception and homosexual acts were OK.

Is this the same guy?
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This is the same guy. He left the Church and started the Association of African American Catholics. He came down here to Baton Rouge and started an Imani Church (which did not catch on and eventually left the Association) AND he got married by Rev. Sun Myung Moon in the Unification Church.

cesnur.org/2001/moon_may23.htm

yarbroughministries.com/imanitemple.html
 
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