Archbishop: Obama Needs To Stop 'Intruding Into Internal Life Of Church'

[iloveangels]

Shall we dispel the myth that the Republican party is still the party of “conservatives”?

Forget conservatives and liberals. That is NOT the issue. The issue IS religion vs. the federal government, freedom vs. tyranny.

The government is trying very hard to penalize the Catholic church for her views on a whole bunch of subjects-left, right and middle. People who work for the Catholic church, and this includes many liberals, are going to be punished every bit as much as any Catholics. They’re out to get all of us, not just some of us.

Food banks and soup kitchens are going to close, just as surely as some Catholic schools will close. How does this benefit anybody in the church???

 

[gilliam]

As George Will said on Sunday: " this is what liberalism looks like. This is what the progressive state does. It tries to break all the institutions of civil society, all the institutions that mediate between the individual and the state. They have to break them to the saddle of the state."

 

[PTL]

They’re out to get all of us, not just some of us.

That’s right. Contraception is just being used as the smoke curtain. If we give in to this, same sex marriage mandate will be the next - not to mandate everyone marry the same sex, but to mandate it be taught from pre-school that it is a lifestyle. And all religious organizations whether Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, all have to honor same sex marriage. If not, you go to jail. If you say anything against it, you also go to jail.

Then all other imaginable or unimaginable immoral issues will be made legitimate, and become a mandate for everyone to comply, with no exception.

If you don’t want this happen, fight hard against this HHS mandate now, when you still can.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Opponents launch new White House petition rejecting Obama rewrite of birth control mandate

Opponents of the Obama Administration’s birth control mandate are rallying behind another White House petition that rejects the President’s recent revision and calls for a complete rescinding of the rule.

A previous petition to abolish the rule, created in late January, had accused the Administration of attempting “to represent ‘transcendental truth’ on matters of conscience,” by forcing all employers, including Catholics and members of other pro-life denominations, to cover birth control and abortion-inducing drugs on their employee’s health plans.

“That in itself is unprecedented, which is also why it is unconstitutional,” the petition charged.

The statement garnered 29,127 signatures, prompting an official response authored by Cecilia Munoz, Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council. According to the current rules of the White House’s “We the People” petition site, if a petition garners 25,000 signatures within a set period of time, the Administration must submit an official response.

In the official response Munoz appealed to the Administration’s recent “accommodation” which, she said, would have insurance companies, rather than actual employers “reach out and provide” contraception to the employees. She also cited statements from the liberal Catholic groups Catholics United and the Catholic Health Association, as well as Planned Parenthood and NARAL, praising the President’s revision of the mandate.

The new petition, posted Saturday, responded to Munoz’s claims by pointing out that the revision still requires Catholic employers to pay for services that violate Church teaching, even if they do not have to directly communicate with the employee about it.

lifesitenews.com/news/opponents-launch-new-white-house-petition-rejecting-obama-rewrite-of-birth

Please sign the petition, facebook the link and tweet link!

 

[oneofmany]

I don’t think the government will back down, not when they can take over all the Catholic institutions. Big money for progressives. It’s all about power and I am afraid some have sold their soul to the devil a long time ago, it’s just a matter of collecting now.

I sure hope we have some strong leaders that can save us.

 

[iloveangels]

I don’t think the government will back down, not when they can take over all the Catholic institutions. Big money for progressives. It’s all about power and I am afraid some have sold their soul to the devil a long time ago, it’s just a matter of collecting now.

I sure hope we have some strong leaders that can save us.

Archbishop Dolan is in Rome talking to the Pope. Meanwhile, priests are in the pulpit teaching about this. nydailynews.com/news/national/archbishop-dolan-slams-obama-birth-control-compromise-a-violation-freedom-religion-article-1.1021319

The bishops are united on this - right, left and middle. They have all come out in opposition. The USCCB has legal counsel and is approaching this with a united front: usccb.org/news/

Even Cardinal Mahoney is yelling “YOU’RE WRONG” at President Obama: cardinalrogermahonyblogsla.blogspot.com/2012/02/just-minute-mr-president.html

And, oneofmany, there’s nothing for them to collect but a bunch of really lousy looking real estate. We belong to God.

 

[LisaA]

Archbishop Dolan is in Rome talking to the Pope. Meanwhile, priests are in the pulpit teaching about this. nydailynews.com/news/national/archbishop-dolan-slams-obama-birth-control-compromise-a-violation-freedom-religion-article-1.1021319

The bishops are united on this - right, left and middle. They have all come out in opposition. The USCCB has legal counsel and is approaching this with a united front: usccb.org/news/

Even Cardinal Mahoney is yelling “YOU’RE WRONG” at President Obama: cardinalrogermahonyblogsla.blogspot.com/2012/02/just-minute-mr-president.html

Thank you for the updates. I’m watching everything I can and feeling better about this issue. If we could convince the media that Sr Carol is NOT the Pope! Notice how they always trot out some left leaning Catholic to support their disgraceful activities?

I’ve never been so proud to be a Catholic!
Lisa

 

[iloveangels]

Thank you for the updates. I’m watching everything I can and feeling better about this issue. If we could convince the media that Sr Carol is NOT the Pope! Notice how they always trot out some left leaning Catholic to support their disgraceful activities?

I’ve never been so proud to be a Catholic!
Lisa

Yeah, the news media has a turncoat list. On the other hand, they’re having a bit of trouble nowadays because many of the people on their turncoat list are hissing and protesting about about the mandate. It must be hard work for the media, huh?

 

[_Abyssinia]

**USSCB: Six More Things Everyone Should Know About the HHS Mandate **

1. The rule that created the uproar has not changed at all, but was finalized as is. Friday evening, after a day of touting meaningful changes in the mandate, HHS issued a regulation finalizing the rule first issued in August 2011, “without change.” So religious employers dedicated to serving people of other faiths are still not exempt as “religious employers.” Indeed, the rule describes them as “non-exempt.”

1. The rule leaves open the possibility that even exempt “religious employers” will be forced to cover sterilization. In its August 2011 comments, USCCB warned that the narrow “religious employer” exemption appeared to provide no relief from the sterilization mandate—only the contraception mandate—and specifically sought clarification. (We also noted that a sterilization mandate exists in only one state, Vermont.) HHS provided no clarification, so the risk remains under the unchanged final rule.

1. The new “accommodation” is not a current rule, but a promise that comes due beyond the point of public accountability. Also on Friday evening, HHS issued regulations describing the intention to develop more regulations that would apply the same mandate differently to “non-exempt, non-profit religious organizations”—the charities, schools, and hospitals that are still left out of the “religious employer” exemption. These policies will be developed over a one-year delay in enforcement, so if they turn out badly, their impact will not be felt until August 2013, well after the election.

1. Even if the promises of “accommodation” are fulfilled entirely, religious charities, schools, and hospitals will still be forced to violate their beliefs. If an employee of these second-class-citizen religious institutions wants coverage of contraception or sterilization, the objecting employer is still forced to pay for it as a part of the employer’s insurance plan. There can be no additional cost to that employee, and the coverage is not a separate policy. By process of elimination, the funds to pay for that coverage must come from the premiums of the employer and fellow employees, even those who object in conscience.

1. The “accommodation” does not even purport to help objecting insurers, for-profit religious employers, secular employers, or individuals. In its August 2011 comments, and many times since, USCCB identified all the stakeholders in the process whose religious freedom is threatened—all employers, insurers, and individuals, not just religious employers. Friday’s actions emphasize that all insurers, including self-insurers, must provide the coverage to any employee who wants it. In turn, all individuals who pay premiums have no escape from subsidizing that coverage. And only employers that are both non-profit and religious may qualify for the “accommodation.”

1. Beware of claims, especially by partisans, that the bishops are partisan. The bishops and their staff read regulations before evaluating them. The bishops did not pick this fight in an election year—others did. Bishops form their positions based on principles—here, religious liberty for all, and the life and dignity of every human person—not polls, personalities, or political parties. Bishops are duty bound to proclaim these principles, in and out of season.

Here are USCCB’s first “six things” on the HHS mandate.

usccbmedia.blogspot.com/2012/02/six-more-things-everyone-should-know.html

 

[_Abyssinia]

An All Bishops Letter, Led by Cardinal-Designate Dolan: ‘we strongly protest the violation of our freedom of religion that has not been addressed.’

nationalreview.com/corner/290854/all-bishops-letter-led-cardinal-designate-dolan-we-strongly-protest-violation-our-free

 

[_Abyssinia]

Why I’m Done Lobbying Obama: Because It’s Time to Focus on Defeating Him.

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26736
** I Don’t Understand This Compromise**

cnsnews.com/blog/rich-galen/i-dont-understand-compromise
The government just took away the choice to be pro-life or pro-choice

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26781
South Carolina Senate Asked to Stop Abortion $ in Obamacare

lifenews.com/2012/02/13/south-carolina-senate-asked-to-stop-abortion-in-obamacare/
Abortion Groups Employ Sexist, Anti-Catholic Mandate Defense

lifenews.com/2012/02/13/abortion-groups-employ-sexist-anti-catholic-mandate-defense/
GOP to Combat Obama Mandate With Hearings, Legislation

lifenews.com/2012/02/13/gop-to-combat-obama-mandate-with-hearings-legislation/
Obama’s Latest Attacks on Pro-Lifers Woke a Sleeping Giant

lifenews.com/2012/02/13/obamas-latest-attacks-on-pro-lifers-woke-a-sleeping-giant/

 

[SteveGC]

Fr Barron recently uploaded his video response to the mandate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZV7wFYeVK0&nomobile=1

 

[_Abyssinia]

**Archbishops Kurtz and Chaput Join Protest Over ‘Unacceptable’ Attack on Religious Liberty **

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishops-kurtz-and-chaput-sign-petition-for-religious-liberty/#ixzz1mNShcGn0
Life Legal Defense Foundation Submits Brief to Supreme Court Arguing Mandate is Unconstitutional

christiannewswire.com/index.php?module=releases&task=view&releaseID=18939
Project Liberty Files Amicus Brief Against Obamacare and the Sibelius Decision on Forced Contraception Coverage Based on Commerce Clause and Religious Liberty Objections to Abortion

christiannewswire.com/index.php?module=releases&task=view&releaseID=18938
Poll: 59% of Catholics Disapprove of Obama’s Performance

lifenews.com/2012/02/14/poll-59-of-catholics-disapprove-of-obamas-performance/
VIDEO: Sen. Roy Blunt Vows to Fight Obamacare’s Anti-Conscience Mandate

blog.heritage.org/2012/02/13/sen-blunt-vows-to-keep-pressure-on-obama-over-anti-conscience-mandate/
Divide and Conquer

douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/divide-and-conquer/
Archbishop Dolan and Father Groeschel on the HHS mandate

doxaweb.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/archbishop-dolan-and-father-groeschel-on-the-hhs-mandate/

 

[JimG]

“As a Catholic American, I am outraged not only by your incredulous contortions to justify your untenable position, I am insulted that you would think that Americans who value and treasure our Constitutional freedoms would even question your overreaching infringement on individual freedom of religion and freedom of conscience.”

–Cardinal Roger M. Mahoney

cardinalrogermahonyblogsla.blogspot.com/2012/02/just-minute-mr-president.html

 

[LisaA]

**Archbishops Kurtz and Chaput Join Protest Over ‘Unacceptable’ Attack on Religious Liberty **

Archbishop Dolan and Father Groeschel on the HHS mandate

doxaweb.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/archbishop-dolan-and-father-groeschel-on-the-hhs-mandate/

Thanks Abyssinia, I read all of the articles. I think the saddest point was hearing that our President doesn’t have the slightest problem that he lied to Archbishop Dolan. When called out he just replied…hey I’ll give you a year to figure out how to comply.

The most positive aspect was hearing that the majority of Catholics disapprove of Obama’s job performance. OTOH memories are short and the President is doing a masterful job painting the Church as “those unreasonable religious fanatics who don’t want women to have healthcare.” Realize that the majority of people live in a fog and don’t understand that everyone is threatened by this latest power grab.

I just shake my head in wonder that ANYONE would still vote for Obama given his miserable performance, his ethical lapses, his despotic ambitions and is overall ineptness. The latest budget is yet another trip down the Yellow Brick Road where we spend money we don’t have on projects and benefits we don’t need. Great work if you can get it…

Lisa

 

[_Abyssinia]

Thanks Abyssinia, I read all of the articles. I think the saddest point was hearing that our President doesn’t have the slightest problem that he lied to Archbishop Dolan. When called out he just replied…hey I’ll give you a year to figure out how to comply.

The most positive aspect was hearing that the majority of Catholics disapprove of Obama’s job performance. OTOH memories are short and the President is doing a masterful job painting the Church as “those unreasonable religious fanatics who don’t want women to have healthcare.” Realize that the majority of people live in a fog and don’t understand that everyone is threatened by this latest power grab.

I just shake my head in wonder that ANYONE would still vote for Obama given his miserable performance, his ethical lapses, his despotic ambitions and is overall ineptness. The latest budget is yet another trip down the Yellow Brick Road where we spend money we don’t have on projects and benefits we don’t need. Great work if you can get it…

Lisa

Obama did not even bother to phone Cardinal-elect Dolon to let him know he would be going ahead with the HHS mandate, after Cardinal-elect Dolon went to the White House to discuss the HHS mandate and other issues.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Bishop Libasci Joins NH Catholic Institutions in Denouncing Obama Administration Mandate

catholicnh.org/about/news/news-releases/obama-mandate/
Planned Parenthood CEO a Top White House Mandate Advisor

lifenews.com/2012/02/14/planned-parenthood-ceo-a-top-white-house-mandate-advisor/
Senate May Vote on Amendment to Stop Obama’s Abortion Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/02/14/senate-may-vote-on-amendment-to-stop-obamas-abortion-mandate/
Top nun who supported Obama mandate thanks pro-choice group in private e-mail

lifesitenews.com/news/sr.-keehan-thanks-pro-choice-group-for-support-asks-it-to-spend-funds-in-ch
Dolan: Obama says he’s not anti-religious, but he’s getting harder to believe

foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/14/dolan-obama-says-hes-not-anti-religious-but-hes-getting-harder-to-believe/#ixzz1mNtBWjQv
For those members in the New York Metro area, Bill Donohue will appear tonight on CBS 2’s “5 O’Clock News” to discuss the Obama mandate.

 

[LisaA]

Bishop Libasci Joins NH Catholic Institutions in Denouncing Obama Administration Mandate

catholicnh.org/about/news/news-releases/obama-mandate/
Planned Parenthood CEO a Top White House Mandate Advisor

lifenews.com/2012/02/14/planned-parenthood-ceo-a-top-white-house-mandate-advisor/
Senate May Vote on Amendment to Stop Obama’s Abortion Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/02/14/senate-may-vote-on-amendment-to-stop-obamas-abortion-mandate/
Top nun who supported Obama mandate thanks pro-choice group in private e-mail

lifesitenews.com/news/sr.-keehan-thanks-pro-choice-group-for-support-asks-it-to-spend-funds-in-ch
Dolan: Obama says he’s not anti-religious, but he’s getting harder to believe

foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/14/dolan-obama-says-hes-not-anti-religious-but-hes-getting-harder-to-believe/#ixzz1mNtBWjQv
For those members in the New York Metro area, Bill Donohue will appear tonight on CBS 2’s “5 O’Clock News” to discuss the Obama mandate.

Golly sure nice to know Obama gave Sr Keehan a PEN commemorating her support of his evil healthcare law. How incredibly sad she would be co-opted in such a fashion. Thank heavens our Bishops were not so easily led astray.

Lisa

 

[_Abyssinia]

Public Divided Over Birth Control Insurance Mandate

A national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, conducted Feb. 8-12, found that 48% of Americans support an exemption while 44% say religiously-affiliated institutions should be required to cover contraceptives like other employers.

41% of Catholics say contraception morally okay; 36% say not a moral issue; 15% say morally wrong.

pewresearch.org/pubs/2195/contraceptive-coverage-religious-groups-health-benefits-obama-administration-catholics-same-sex-marriage

 

[LisaA]

Public Divided Over Birth Control Insurance Mandate

A national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, conducted Feb. 8-12, found that 48% of Americans support an exemption while 44% say religiously-affiliated institutions should be required to cover contraceptives like other employers.

41% of Catholics say contraception morally okay; 36% say not a moral issue; 15% say morally wrong.

pewresearch.org/pubs/2195/contraceptive-coverage-religious-groups-health-benefits-obama-administration-catholics-same-sex-marriage

Although generally Pew polls are quite credible, the answer depends upon how the question is framed. If it is framed in mandating “birth control” it is far more acceptable even when questioning Catholics or other people of faith. OTOH if the question were framed do you believe a mandate that causes an early abortion and also requires sterilization to be offered I think the results would be different.

The Pill has been around a long time and I suspect the vast majority of people do not understand that a woman can conceive while on the Pill but that the conception cannot be maintained due to the drug’s effect on the uterus. I certainly didn’t know that until I became a Catholic and started reading CAF! I was in my late 40s and no ignoramus. I always thought it was very innocuous and might have answered yes in my former life.

We’ve lost a lot of momentum because the media focused on the ABC issue versus the abortofacient and sterilization issue. We just don’t control the bully pulpit in this country so we have to hope our side makes the issue what it is, a religious freedom has been violated.

Lisa