Archbishop: Obama Needs To Stop 'Intruding Into Internal Life Of Church'

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The Southern Baptists are backing us up too. They’re the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

erlc.com/article/on-the-obama-administrations-abortion-rule/
It seems that our Christian president is going counter to everything Christian and all of Christianity to accommodate those promoting immorality. He is showing, once again, he is not on the side of morality, not on the side of God and standing with the spirit of antichrist. His fruits speak louder than his words.
 
Breaking news: White House to announce ‘accommodation’ on contraceptive policy

Read more: foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/10/white-house-to-announce-accommodation-on-contraceptive-policy/#ixzz1lzPUxZ2T
It seems like they always announce things like this on a Friday when the weekend sort of kills any momentum for the story. Of course, I guess that didn’t work out well for them when they announced the HHS mandate initially. 😉

I’ll believe it when I see it, though. I am skeptical that this “accommodation” (if it comes) will be sufficient. It will probably sound just good enough to get most people to think “Well, I guess that’s a good alternative” (and then move on to thinking of other things) while still undermining religious freedom in a more subtle, yet equally substantial, way.

Personally, I think it’s been somewhat liberating to see the assault on religious freedom out in the open rather than hiding in the shadows as it has been for so long.
 
And again as I said Catholics and employers and any of us break laws with consequences. Peace to you.
And we have to ready to pay the price. The authorities in Jesus age crucified him. Should we expect better treatment? Obama is following in the steps of Pontius Pilate, wanting to wash his hand of the innocent blood he is spilling. He looks across the throng of feminists and liberals declaring that the blood of the children will be on their heads while he washes his hand in basin of Choice. It will avail him no more than it did his predecessor, Pilate.

So, those that wish to follow the Lord, must follow him into persecution and possible imprisonment. Those that wish to stand with Obama and Pilate will avoid the persecution in this world, but will not escape in the next.
 
While I appreciate the need for prayer in this matter, I’m still very dismayed by Mexico legalizing abortion. The country whose people were led to conversion thru the intercession of Mary with child succumbed to secular pressure. I know prayers and rosaries abounded between Mexico and the US and yet it could not be stopped. I confess it has affected my outlook on prayer and fasting for thing like that. I want to believe it works, but I’m just not seeing it.
And many of us fasted for days in this country while the healthcare bill was being readied to be shoved down our throats. Our prayers and sacrifices are offered to God, but we must remember that it is always in accordance with **His ** will and timing. There is something bigger at play here and God still hears our every prayer. We have become a stiff-necked people who have turned our back to Him with our idolatry, abortion and greed. He will act with us, just like He did the ancient Israelites (and remember He allowed their enemies to overcome them) but only for a time. When He says enough, it will BE enough. If anything, we should increase our prayers and penances.
 
CMatt25;8938777:
You left out a large portion of what I said. They can also practice it in their own personal lives. But unless they’re for instance a church getting an exemption, they must also abide by laws governing employers. I think it’s just a bit more complicated and perhaps not as black and white as many here think is all.
First of all, it is factually incorrect to say that Catholics “must also abide by laws governing employers”. Obama can pass all the laws he wants but Catholics have the choice whether or not to follow the law.

The bishops, and now many other religious leaders, have clearly indicated that they will not “abide by laws governing employers”.

Good for them.

More importantly, setting aside the pretense of magnanimity that you are constantly attempting to attribute to Lord Obama, socialized health care turns what was previously personal matter into a government matter. The state has encroached on personal choices, namely the choice whether to provide medical treatment for the disease of pregnancy.

Having thus intruded into personal lives you are not going to pretend that Catholics are free to practice in their personal lives? Do you even understand the absurdity of that?
Bumping this post in case anyone missed it! :tiphat:
 
And here’s what bothers me: the left-leaning Catholic Bishops and Sister Keehan from the Catholic Health Association will probably roll over if Obama gives them a broad-enough exemption, while leaving secular employers under Obamacare’s thumb. They did like the idea of Obamacare, they lobbied in favor of Obamacare, and they may yet betray the rest of us secular folks, if only they can get their special deal and special exemption under Obamacare. In other words, if I, L piperatus, a secular guy, happen to run a business (let’s say a pharmacy of my own, a restaurant, or similar small business) where I employ other people, Obamacare **will force me **to offer the very same immoral coverage (contraception, abortive drugs and devices, sterilization), free of charge, to my employees, that the Catholic universities, schools and hospitals will be exempted from.

And that, my friends, will be a most cynical betrayal of the rest of us, from our left-leaning Bishops and Catholic lobbyists (the secretariat at the USCCB, Sister Keehan, Catholic Healthcare Association, etc.) who did support Obamacare and will most probably support it again, as long as they get their own special exemption. How is this any better than Stalin’s special deal with Hitler, the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact, which from the Russian part gave Hitler a free hand in attacking other countries in exchange for promising that he would leave Russia alone? Of course, in the end, Russia learned the hard way - Hitler did break his promise, and attacked Russia, after it attacked some other countries first. Our left-leaning Catholic bishops, the lobbyists at the USCCB, and others who supported Obamacare are also getting a lesson now about allying themselves with tyrants, just as the Russians got their lesson when Hitler attacked them. Still, I’m afraid, they haven’t learned their lesson, and will support Obamacare again, even at the expense of betraying the rest of us secular folks, if only they can get their special exemptions for their Catholic schools, hospitals, and charities… 😦
Can we now see the danger of the new “social justice” whereby service to humanity, healthcare for all (as a “right” including abortion) and all the other nauseating kumbaya chants sound so nice, but do deadly harm in not looking to a godly fundamental truth, but only rely on human secular standards and agencies to do the job.
 
It will probably sound just good enough to get most people to think “Well, I guess that’s a good alternative” (and then move on to thinking of other things) while still undermining religious freedom in a more subtle, yet equally substantial, way.
This is my fear.

I’m waiting for the announcement, but so far I have read an article that says Obama will say it is the insurance who has to offer the contraceptive, but employers don’t. Obviously I see problems with that. Beyond that, though, in the online coverage, nothing is said about sterilization or the morning after pill.
 
Hold the boat sports fans! What is happening here IS because we have met the enemy and he is us. When a little over 50% of mainstream Catholics and a similar number of American Catholic Bishops supported Obama then perhaps the joke is on us. First, Obama went after the Conservatives, now he’s coming after the Catholics and anyone else who gets in his way of his vision of what the world ought to look like and the means he’ll employ as a Chicago pol to achieve it. How many Catholics and Bishops supported Obamacare? A bunch! Everyone bought his flowery platitudes of unity and nobody checked his background out. This man is no Christian, he’s adheres to Black Liberation Theology, embraces eugenics, gay marriage and everything the Catholic Church holds contrarian positions. He went to Notre Dame, engaged in dialogue with Archbishop Dolan, got his opposition close enough to fill the rock loaded socks to swing and connect against his adversaries. Have we learned our lesson yet with this guy? Something tells me we have not! He’ll get a plurality of the Catholic vote once again and the beat goes on! The joke’s on us and when you willfully engage rattlesnakes in their den, you shouldn’t be surprised when you get bit!
IF you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Never fails.

But have we learned our lesson yet?

People didn’t think he was this bad, and didn’t get informed before the election. We can do this differently in November now that people know.
 
I’ll believe it when I see it, though. I am skeptical that this “accommodation” (if it comes) will be sufficient.
Keep in mind, also, that this so-called “accommodation” will consist of nothing less than yet another promise; the law and power will remain at the discretion of HHS. As quickly as Obama might pivot to accommodate, he can unprivot again later, just as he had before. What promise can a proven liar ever make that is sufficient?

This is nothing more than a political recalculation, an attempt to find that policy which, at the given moment, minimizes the danger to his reelection.
 
This is my fear.

I’m waiting for the announcement, but so far I have read an article that says Obama will say it is the insurance who has to offer the contraceptive, but employers don’t. Obviously I see problems with that. Beyond that, though, in the online coverage, nothing is said about sterilization or the morning after pill.
The subject of the mandate is sterilization, abortion, contraceptives and the morning after pill. We would be forced to offer these things if we were to comply. It includes all of them. I’m pretty sure we’re not going to comply if it comes to that. This is what all the bishops’ statements say. Almost every single bishop in the country has come out with such a statement.

HOWEVER the point of this is not contraception but FREEDOM of religion. The government cannot tell us what to believe and what to do. It’s a violation of our constitutional rights of religious determination. The federal government is not a god and neither is Obama, his enormous overblown ego notwithstanding.

usccb.org/news/2012/12-021.cfm
 
So now insurance companies have to pay for the birth control instead of the employer? But won’t the same insurance companies just charge the same amount for the non-birth-control plan, since they have to provide it anyway? And won’t part of that money be used for birth control? And won’t buying their non-birth-control plan, which requires them to provide birth control, really be the same cooperation with evil? And won’t this rule out the situations where the organizations were self-insuring to avoid paying for birth control?

foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/10/white-house-to-announce-accommodation-on-contraceptive-policy/
 
So now insurance companies have to pay for the birth control instead of the employer? But won’t the same insurance companies just charge the same amount for the non-birth-control plan, since they have to provide it anyway? And won’t part of that money be used for birth control? And won’t buying their non-birth-control plan, which requires them to provide birth control, really be the same cooperation with evil? And won’t this rule out the situations where the organizations were self-insuring to avoid paying for birth control?

foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/10/white-house-to-announce-accommodation-on-contraceptive-policy/
How the trivial accounting works is not the point. We know as well as they do that money is fungible.

The point is this: The federal government cannot require the Catholic church to violate its beliefs. Period. There is constitutional protection against such things. That’s what the Bill of Rights in the United States Constitution is about.

See the post above for a link to a good explanation of what’s going on.
 
Keep in mind, also, that this so-called “accommodation” will consist of nothing less than yet another promise; the law and power will remain at the discretion of HHS. As quickly as Obama might pivot to accommodate, he can unprivot again later, just as he had before. What promise can a proven liar ever make that is sufficient?

This is nothing more than a political recalculation, an attempt to find that policy which, at the given moment, minimizes the danger to his reelection.
Correct.
 
That’s not the point. The federal government cannot require the Catholic church to violate its beliefs. See the post above for a link to a good explanation of what’s going on.
Yes, what I don’t understand is how the Obama accomodation really fixes this situation at all.
 
BREAKING: Pro-life leaders slam White House ‘compromise’ on birth control mandate
The White House announced today that, instead of forcing religious employers to pay for birth control, it will force insurance companies to offer the drugs free of charge to all women, no matter where they work.
The plan, touted as a concession to freedom of religion and conscience, was immediately denounced by pro-life Rep. Chris Smith. “The so-called new policy is the discredited old policy, dressed up to look like something else,” said Smith. “It remains a serious violation of religious freedom. Only the most naïve or gullible would accept this as a change in policy.”
“The White House Fact Sheet is riddled with doublespeak and contradiction,” Smith continued. “It states, for example, that religious employers ‘will not’ have to pay for abortion pills, sterilization and contraception, but their ‘insurance companies’ will. Who pays for the insurance policy? The religious employer.”
In a statement released today, the White House said, “Under the new policy announced today, women will have free preventive care that includes contraceptive services no matter where she works.”
“If a woman works for religious employers with objections to providing contraceptive services as part of its health plan, the religious employer will not be required to provide contraception coverage but her insurance company will be required to offer contraceptive care free of charge.”
The birth control rule announced last summer was intended to force virtually all employers to cover sterilizations and contraception, including abortifacient drugs such as ella, a sister drug to RU-486. The religious employer exemption essentially applied only to houses of worship, creating an uproar in the Catholic community as hospitals, schools, and charities would have been forced to pay for the drugs. The furor only grew stronger when the administration announced last month that the concerned religious organizations would be given an extra year to comply.
President Obama reiterated the statement in a press conference this afternoon, saying that “the insurance company, not the hospital, not the charity, will be required to reach out” to women employed by such institutions to offer birth control “without copays, without hassles.”
The new rule is reportedly similar to coverage laws in Hawaii that allow employers with religious objections not to directly pay for contraception, but instead to direct employees on how to conveniently access all such drugs and procedures.
In an email to the Weekly Standard, Richard Doerflinger of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said this week that such an “adjustment” would be not only inadequate, but even worse than the current mandate.
“It would be no improvement to say: ‘Sure, you don’t have to include the coverage, you just have to send all your lay employees and women religious to the local Planned Parenthood clinic,’ he wrote.
Eric Scheidler of the Pro-Life Action League also told LifeSiteNews.com that the new rule amounted to a “shell game.” “At the end of the day, religious employers are still required to provide insurance plans that offer free contraceptives, sterilizations and abortifacients in violation of their moral tenets,” he said.
The country’s Catholic bishops have not yet responded to the White House’s statement. However, both Planned Parenthood and the Catholic Health Association (CHA) have expressed satisfaction with the new plan.
“The framework developed has responded to the issues we identified that needed to be fixed,” said Sr. Carol Keehan of CHA. Keehan and her organization are perhaps best known for flouting the position of the Catholic bishops during the fight over Obama’s health care reform, throwing their weight behind the bill despite the opposition of the U.S. bishops over concerns the bill would increase abortion funding. Keehan was personally singled out by former USCCB President Cardinal Francis George for condemnation for her role in helping pass the health reform law.
Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards issued a statement, saying: “In the face of a misleading and outrageous assault on women’s health, the Obama administration has reaffirmed its commitment to ensuring all women will have access to birth control coverage, with no costly co-pays, no additional hurdles, and no matter where they work.
“We believe the compliance mechanism does not compromise a woman’s ability to access these critical birth control benefits. However we will be vigilant in holding the administration and the institutions accountable for a rigorous, fair and consistent implementation of the policy, which does not compromise the essential principles of access to care.”
The pro-abortion news source, RH Reality Check, lauded the news, noting that the rule is convenient because women would not have to purchase a separate rider for the contraception coverage.
lifesitenews.com/news/white-house-religious-employers-wont-have-to-cover-birth-control-but-insura
 
Can we now see the danger of the new “social justice” whereby service to humanity, healthcare for all (as a “right” including abortion) and all the other nauseating kumbaya chants sound so nice, but do deadly harm in not looking to a godly fundamental truth, but only rely on human secular standards and agencies to do the job.
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
“676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.”

This is intrinsically perverse secular messianism – the idea that people have that medical management of population eugenics, power and politics will save the world somehow. It’s a political form, just like the Catechism says.

This is yet another one of the practice runs for the full-blown version, if not the start of the full-blown version. Be aware.
 
Yes, what I don’t understand is how the Obama accomodation really fixes this situation at all.
It doesn’t, of course, but we are meant to think that it does. Or at least, they are hoping that enough Catholics will grasp this fig leaf so as to allow them to get back to more important things.
 
It doesn’t, of course, but we are meant to think that it does. Or at least, they are hoping that enough Catholics will grasp this fig leaf so as to allow them to get back to more important things.
It doesn’t fix anything. It’s a ruse, a trick. You’ll know when it’s fixed. They’ll come out with an actual change in the law and an apology like the Army did last week.

The Army tried to shut our priests in the military up last weekend and tell them they couldn’t read a letter from the Archbishop of the Military at the homily in Mass. They FAILED. The Army backed off and apologized. They have absolutely NO business trying to tell us what we can read in our liturgy! Who do they think they are?
 
Your employer doesn’t have to pay for insurance which provides coverage for hiring a hit-man to kill your enemies. But your insurance company has to provide such coverage free of charge. So your policy will be sure to have the hit-man coverage whether the employer pays for it or the insurance company provides it free.

Is accepting such insurance coverage supposed to make the employer feel better?

And what about the insuror with moral objections? Do insuror’s have no freedom of religion?

The government now says, “Look, we’re giving you back your freedom of religion. Now we’re taking it away from insurors. Since you make such a fuss, you get religious liberty, but insurors don’t.”
 
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