Archbishop: Obama Needs To Stop 'Intruding Into Internal Life Of Church'

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I agree with what the article says, the evil plan now is even more evil…
Contraception is used as a political tool to 1) defeat the Church** 2)** trash the freedom of religion 3) Open the gate to destroy Constitution **4)**Make America a communist country. This is very obvious…We simply cannot allow it happen.
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I think Obama is executing a divide and conquer strategy. First he gets everybody stoked up; especially those of us who see him for what he is. Then he plays a progression of bait and switch to get his mushy middle ‘Catholics’ back with him, would at some point would not want to continue the fight with the hardcore opposition to Obama. His hard core democrat ‘Catholics’ would not stop backing him even if the government violently persecuted the Church. Then he would manage to split up the support our Protestant brethren have been providing, because if he backs out of the Abortion issue then that would likely fragment their vital support. If he gets a handful of Bishops (I hope he does not have them already and ready to act) to break rank then he could succeed in causing a schism within Catholicism.
 
“Bait and Switch”…

You said it.

Keep it up.

Say it again… louder…!
 
The only problem with that scenario, Max, is that he’s violated the Bill of Rights and there are lawsuits already as far as the eye can see and more coming. If that’s what he’s doing, he’s sure doing it the hard way. And a way guaranteed to get him opposition not just from Catholics and not even just from religious people, but from people all over–a lot of it. Not only is Obamacare going to go before the Supreme Court, but now probably these religious freedom cases will certainly go to the court and may come before the Supreme Court as well.

Right now there are a growing group of Democrats breaking with Obama on this issue. They’re realizing what’s happening. This is a violation of the Bill of Rights. This is the biggest power grab in the history of the United States.

I mean, if he wanted to do what you suggest, I can think of a half-dozen ways of accomplishing that just fine without violating the Bill of Rights. I’m not going to volunteer them, of course.
 
Only about 3 weeks ago there was a case decided in the Supreme Court called “Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)”.

The government tried to say that the church and school had to use affirmative action in hiring policies for leadership and ministerial positions. It was a total over-reach by the federal government. Obama strikes again. The government lost and it lost big. 9-0 in favor of the little Lutheran school. Unanimous.

This is very similar to our lawsuits in a lot of ways, and it probably will help us too.
 
Obama seems to be as grandiose about his choice of tools as he is about his own opinion of himself. There is no subtlety with this man. He may not be capable of it.

If this is true, it’s a help to us to know it. He will make mistakes that we can more easily predict.
 
iloveangels said:
Obama seems to be as grandiose about his choice of tools as he is about his own opinion of himself. There is no subtlety with this man. He may not be capable of it.

If this is true, it’s a help to us to know it. He will make mistakes that we can more easily predict.
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Hubris will be his downfall. He’s had such an easy life, skating along getting adulation every time he opened his mouth. I read the book “The Obamas” (know thy enemy!) and he lives in an echo chamber where everyone idolizes him. The book indicated how astonished he was when he either couldn’t fool us or that we didn’t like what he decided to do. He is apparently still shocked that Americans hate his healthcare bill…the more we know the more we hate it. The media sucked up and covered his failings, his wierd associations, his foot in mouth episodes and to a great extent they are still in his corner.

What astonishes me even more is that despite his inept bungling, his power grabs, his horrible decisions, he still has a strong following among the American people. I just hope that more people wake up and see what he is, a political animal, a power hungry idealogue with a deep dislike for America that is was and we hope will be in the future.

This latest episode showed his true colors to more of the politically uninvolved. Let’s hope their memories don’t fade come November.

Lisa
 
Bishops to Obama: No dice
The bishops aren’t going to let them get away with it, and that means that Obama will still have religious organizations — and not just Catholics — demanding an end to the mandate and forcing a fight over religious liberty. Don’t expect it to go on for long, because this will prove disastrous to Obama’s political support in the fall if left in its current status. I’d give it a week, perhaps less, before we see a real climbdown.
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hotair.com/archives/2012/02/11/bishops-to-obama-no-dice/
 
LisaA said:
Hubris will be his downfall. He’s had such an easy life, skating along getting adulation every time he opened his mouth. I read the book “The Obamas” (know thy enemy!) and he lives in an echo chamber where everyone idolizes him. The book indicated how astonished he was when he either couldn’t fool us or that we didn’t like what he decided to do. He is apparently still shocked that Americans hate his healthcare bill…the more we know the more we hate it. The media sucked up and covered his failings, his wierd associations, his foot in mouth episodes and to a great extent they are still in his corner.

What astonishes me even more is that despite his inept bungling, his power grabs, his horrible decisions, he still has a strong following among the American people. I just hope that more people wake up and see what he is, a political animal, a power hungry idealogue with a deep dislike for America that is was and we hope will be in the future.

This latest episode showed his true colors to more of the politically uninvolved. Let’s hope their memories don’t fade come November.

Lisa
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Those are his true colors, yes. We need to start laughing at him, and seeing the fact that he’s a little boy with a little boy’s mind in a man’s body. He’s not smart and this latest mess proves it, as does the Olympic thing and all his bungles around teleprompters. We need to start not taking him seriously in public. That doesn’t mean being wicked, calling profane names or anything like that. It does mean that we need to say gently and deeply what we think: that he’s a lightweight, that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, that he’s not really an American Black person, that he is all talk and no depth,that he can’t do without a mirror. etc etc. Those are proper adult political judgements that you are allowed to make because you’re a voter.

We don’t have to vote for him or anyone like him. And it’s fine to simply vote against someone if that’s all you can do. People do it all the time. I’m going to vote for whoever the Republicans put up and I’m not ashamed to say that. I’m not a Republican. Under different circumstances the Republicans could probably screw everything up too. HOWEVER, the Republicans are the only thing big enough that can field a credible candidate that could beat him. Period. I can use that to get where I need to be.

The Republicans are not going to put a dog or a fence post up as the candidate, and anything better than that would be better than Obama as far as I am concerned. For me, it’s a done deal. It’s just using my head. It’s logic.
 
iloveangels said:
Those are his true colors, yes. We need to start laughing at him, and seeing the fact that he’s a little boy with a little boy’s mind in a man’s body. He’s not smart and this latest mess proves it, as does the Olympic thing and all his bungles around teleprompters. We need to start not taking him seriously in public. That doesn’t mean being wicked or anything like that. It does mean that we need to say gently and deeply what we think: that he’s a lightweight, that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, that he’s not really an American Black person, that he is all talk and no depth,that he can’t do without a mirror. etc etc.

We don’t have to vote for him or anyone like him. And it’s fine to simply vote against someone if that’s all you can do. People do it all the time. I’m going to vote for whoever the Republicans put up and I’m not ashamed to say that. I’m not a Republican. The Republicans are the only thing big enough that can field a credible candidate that could beat him. Period.

The Republicans are not going to put a dog or a fence post up as the candidate, and anything better than that would be better than Obama as far as I am concerned. For me, it’s a done deal. It’s just using my head. It’s logic.
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The black helicopters should be over your home in 5…4…3…2… :eek:
 
jwinch2 said:
The black helicopters should be over your home in 5…4…3…2… :eek:
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😃 In the current political climate, if I live long enough, it’s could happen anyway, Jason.

I’ve been seeing the culture careen towards this for decades. I first became aware of it a long, long time ago. I had hoped that it would take longer than this and I would be dead and gone by the time this denial of goodness and truth, this glorification of magic and superstition and death, hit. I used to think of it as a “new dark age” only with technology this time.

But it looks like I’m going to have to see it, at least some of it. AND as a Roman Catholic of all things, which I never planned on either–in my salad days when I was young and foolish. So be it then. I’ll do my best to be a Catholic and live like one as long as I’m here.
 
I mean, maybe Obama really thinks that someone like Churchill was great because he pranced around, doing evil and hapless things to people in a grandiose stage-presence way, and that’s why he was great. This is laughable.

Churchill didn’t choose his destiny. It was thrust upon him. He served to the best of his considerable ability simply because he had to, it was his duty. He did it out of goodness and he did it the best he could, even though he wasn’t perfect and he suffered from all the human weaknesses that we all have. This is what makes a man great. The same things can be said about Lincoln, and Washington, and Roosevelt.

Churchill, Lincoln, Washington and Roosevelt were a great men. Obama is not.
 
maximus said:
I think Obama is executing a divide and conquer strategy. First he gets everybody stoked up; especially those of us who see him for what he is. Then he plays a progression of bait and switch to get his mushy middle ‘Catholics’ back with him, would at some point would not want to continue the fight with the hardcore opposition to Obama. His hard core democrat ‘Catholics’ would not stop backing him even if the government violently persecuted the Church. Then he would manage to split up the support our Protestant brethren have been providing, because if he backs out of the Abortion issue then that would likely fragment their vital support. If he gets a handful of Bishops (I hope he does not have them already and ready to act) to break rank then he could succeed in causing a schism within Catholicism.
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You are on the target. I think the way to stop his strategy is not allow him to be re-elected. It is not saying that once he is not the President, he would stop destroying the country. You won’t stop a person who has a mission. But at least he could not have the presidential power.

The pressing question is what can we do to make him defeated in November. Each of us need to do our best to save our country.
 
PTL said:
You are on the target. I think the way to stop his strategy is not allow him to be re-elected. It is not saying that once he is not the President, he would stop destroying the country. You won’t stop a person who has a mission. But at least he could not have the presidential power.
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Correct.
PTL said:
The pressing question is what can we do to make him defeated in November. Each of us need to do our best to save our country.
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I do believe that I’m going to make a gentle but persistent campaign out of getting someone else elected. I’m going to put a sticker on my car, maybe two. And wear a button on my coat, and answer questions honestly but nicely. And I’m going to volunteer for whoever the Republicans put up, whether I happen to be nuts about the guy or not. We have to change this situation and that’s one of the steps we have to take to get it done, I’m sure. And I’ll be using the internet, not mostly this site, but others. Twitter comes to mind.

PS. It’s really important that Catholics realize that they were suckered, taken to the cleaners over Obamacare and worked over like a bum in the subway. I don’t intend to let the other Catholics I know off easily on this one. They must remember what’s happened here.

It’s not about political parties, so much as it’s about leaving yourself open to getting robbed blind and then taken advantage of in broad daylight. Smart girls don’t put themselves in those situations (and the Church should have been more careful with herself). I’m sure we have learned something. At least I hope so.
 
iloveangels said:
Correct.

I do believe that I’m going to make a gentle but persistent campaign out of getting someone else elected. I’m going to put a sticker on my car, maybe two. And wear a button on my coat, and answer questions honestly but nicely. And I’m going to volunteer for whoever the Republicans put up, whether I happen to be nuts about the guy or not. We have to change this situation and that’s one of the steps we have to take to get it done, I’m sure. And I’ll be using the internet, not mostly this site, but others. Twitter comes to mind.

PS. It’s really important that Catholics realize that they were suckered, taken to the cleaners over Obamacare and worked over like a bum in the subway. I don’t intend to let the other Catholics I know off easily on this one. They must remember what’s happened here.

It’s not about political parties, so much as it’s about leaving yourself open to getting robbed blind and then taken advantage of in broad daylight. Smart girls don’t put themselves in those situations (and the Church should have been more careful with herself). I’m sure we have learned something. At least I hope so.
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That is great. We need every Catholic to be like you.
In additional to what you suggested, I think there are a few things every one who does not want Obama re-elected can do and must do:
  1. Pray, everyday. Pray Psalm 109:8 for Obama
  2. Stay informed
  3. Help people wake up and informed.
    Too many people are ignorant and indifferent. They only care what to eat for dinner. They don’t even know what is going on and they don’t think it will affect them. We need to educate and encourage those people.
  4. Sign every accountable petitions of protecting freedom and traditional values, sign them again and again
  5. Contact Congress and Senate again and again about the issues - call, email, postal mail, do it repeatedly
  6. Pass along all articles to do with the pressing issues through email, and ask all your friends to do the same.
  7. Utilize twitter, face book, blog, online forums to spread ideas and information.
We should imitate Obama - have a deep conviction, and on a resolved mission.
We can do it together.
 
Absolutely, I assumed prayer as well as personal petitions in Mass. Those are a given.

And we need to teach our children and talk to our relatives about all these things. And use any opportunities to converse in a civilized way with people we come into contact with over the next year or so.

You encourage me, PTL. Those are all great things in your list. Thank you. 👍
 
I was just watching an interview on TV about this situation and an interesting and I believe, important point was brought up. That being that there are many Catholic insurance companies. Under this law, they would basically be run out of business. In addition, it was brought up that many diocese pool their money to buy insurance coverage through these groups.

Either President Obama didn’t know this and grossly miscalculated or did know this and it is his intent all along. I am inclined to go with what is behind door number 2.
 
jwinch2 said:
I was just watching an interview on TV about this situation and an interesting and I believe, important point was brought up. That being that there are many Catholic insurance companies. Under this law, they would basically be run out of business. In addition, it was brought up that many diocese pool their money to buy insurance coverage through these groups.

Either President Obama didn’t know this and grossly miscalculated or did know this and it is his intent all along. I am inclined to go with what is behind door number 2.
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Well they might not go out of business just yet. This thing may not ever take effect, and if it does we may well choose to pay the fine if we have no other choice. I don’t think we’re going to comply, Jason.

[Not that I don’t realize that some people will lose their jobs if we start paying per person fines. They will. Also, some people will start to lose jobs if we start to pull in some of our outreaches to the general public.]
 
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