Archbishop Rips Rick Majerus for Support of Abortion Rights, Stem Cell Research

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Archbishop Burke is correct. As an archbishop he is obligated to make such a move in order to prevent/stop public scandal. Public scandal in the Church is when something is said or done that could cause others to sin. Some people, Catholic or not, will see Majerus make a public statement like this and possibly think that since he represents a Catholic institution that Catholics can be pro-abortion or pro-embryonic stem-cell research or some other teaching contrary to the Catholic Church. By Majerus accepting a job at a Catholic institution, he accepted boundaries.
 
Lampo said:
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Archbishop Burke is correct. As an archbishop he is obligated to make such a move in order to prevent/stop public scandal. Public scandal in the Church is when something is said or done that could cause others to sin. Some people, Catholic or not, will see Majerus make a public statement like this and possibly think that since he represents a Catholic institution that Catholics can be pro-abortion or pro-embryonic stem-cell research or some other teaching contrary to the Catholic Church. By Majerus accepting a job at a Catholic institution, he accepted boundaries.
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As a St. Louisian, I continue to see the beacon of light in a place of darkness when I hear things like this. Again, I gain more and more respect for Archbishop Burke with every “story” that the media puts out there. Just you wait, he will catch a lot of flack for this one. Which to me, means that he is doing his job.

Keep up the GREAT work Archbishop Burke, we in St. Louis are blessed to have you as our shephard.
 
Want a good laugh? Read the comments on the article at the bottom of that page. Some brilliant minds at work!
 
Boy, the Catholic-haters have posted on that story in full force. They sure are letting their true feelings be known. I really feel sorry for people that hate others so much.

Good for Archbishop Burke! This is why he is one of my favorite bishops!👍

In Christ,
Rand
 
I especially like the comments that rely on the Free Speech argument as a way of bashing the Archbishop.

But, wait, doesn’t the Archbishop have the right to free speech also???

Silly me, I forgot that the Archbishop is Catholic.
 
First_of_9 said:
I especially like the comments that rely on the Free Speech argument as a way of bashing the Archbishop.

But, wait, doesn’t the Archbishop have the right to free speech also???

Silly me, I forgot that the Archbishop is Catholic.
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1.) Why am I not surprised its a Jesuit university.
2.) don’t you know that our rights to free speech is if it agrees to other people opinions
3.) I love this Bishop. he gives me such hope.

Here is the espn link.
sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3210049
 
The archbishop is free to say what he wants…but the university is free to employ Coach Majerus as well.

Unless of course we want to force coaches to seek a 'mandatum"
 
frommi said:
The archbishop is free to say what he wants…but the university is free to employ Coach Majerus as well.
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By free you mean he may choose what is error? That is a misuse of freedom.
Unless of course we want to force coaches to seek a 'mandatum"
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A mandatum should not be needed, but as we can see sometimes Catholics get it very, very wrong. I am sure this good Bishop would be pleased to offer instruction and correction.
 
I haven’t posted here in ages and never really did with any high volume.

As a St. Louisan and a sports fan however I came here basically seeking reassurance that some others supported Burke.

I’m a frequent poster on the St. Louis Post Dispatches forums and have been engaged in a heated debate on the matter, basically being one of few defending the archbishop. I invite you to reply to some of the posts here.

stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=516304

NOTE: the thread title will give you an immediate impression on the general attitude of the posters on this particular forum.
 
fix said:
By free you mean he may choose what is error? That is a misuse of freedom.

A mandatum should not be needed, but as we can see sometimes Catholics get it very, very wrong. I am sure this good Bishop would be pleased to offer instruction and correction.
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Not at all what I meant…I was simply pointing out that both individuals have basic freedom in the country to speak out about what they wish.

In this particular case the Archbishop has no real authority (from a human resources/ceo perspective) over the coach…It’s not his call whether or not the guy stays employed, issues an apology, etc.
 
frommi said:
In this particular case the Archbishop has no real authority (from a human resources/ceo perspective) over the coach…It’s not his call whether or not the guy stays employed, issues an apology, etc.
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You are correct that the Archbishop has no HR/CEO authority over the coach and it is not his call on the response the University will make. However, St. Louis is a Catholic university and as the leader of the Catholic Church in St. Louis he is *more * than entitled and probably mandated to issue a statement. My guess is that his opinion will carry a lot more weight with the University than either my opinion or your opinion. 😉
 
frommi said:
Not at all what I meant…I was simply pointing out that both individuals have basic freedom in the country to speak out about what they wish.

In this particular case the Archbishop has no real authority (from a human resources/ceo perspective) over the coach…It’s not his call whether or not the guy stays employed, issues an apology, etc.
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The bishop has moral authority over him that is what matters.
 
bjmiller100753 said:
You are correct that the Archbishop has no HR/CEO authority over the coach and it is not his call on the response the University will make. However, St. Louis is a Catholic university and as the leader of the Catholic Church in St. Louis he is *more * than entitled and probably mandated to issue a statement. My guess is that his opinion will carry a lot more weight with the University than either my opinion or your opinion. 😉
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No, it probably will not carry more weight with the University. The sports departments are different than the theology departments. The coach signed a contract to coach the team, unless there is any explicit language about conforming to Church (not just University as Burke is not a member of the University) rules, Burke can flail around but nothing will happen in the end unless he wants to pressure the University to unfairly fire Majerus and then pay a penalty for breach of contract to Majerus. Burke does not control all in the Diocese, this is an example of extreme-micromanagement at best.
 
One thing seems to me to need clarification. Freedom of speech applies to freedom from government action, not private action. If St. Louis University wants to fire Majerus because of his remarks, it can do so, subject of course to any contractual limitations that may exist between the University and Majerus or between the University and other entities. (The University might have to pay a substantial sum of money to Majerus for early discharge, for example.)

This may be much more complicated than it appears. Majerus had to know what the response to these remarks would be. I don’t know how good a coach he is, but it will be interesting to see what, if anything, the University does,
 
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No, it probably will not carry more weight with the University.
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Your quote that the Bishop’s opinion will not carry more weight in this matter than my opinion or your opinion or the other poster’s opinion seems somewhat naive. You might not think it should carry more weight, you might not want it to carry more weight but that is a concept entirely different than what you wrote.
 
bjmiller100753 said:
Your quote that the Bishop’s opinion will not carry more weight in this matter than my opinion or your opinion or the other poster’s opinion seems somewhat naive. You might not think it should carry more weight, you might not want it to carry more weight but that is a concept entirely different than what you wrote.
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The University is run by the board, they are in charge of day-to-day operations. The basketball coach is just one of many employees. Do all boards of companies try to micromanage their employees? Unless there is a specific line in his contract to give complete allegiance to the Bishop (not just the University), the ArchBishop is clearly out of line and making a huge mountain out of a molehill, as that is what the approach comes off as.
 
‘Mountain out of a mole hill.’

A Catholic supporting the killing of babies in a public announcement. Either Christ gave his Bride - the Church - the power to bind and loose or He didn’t. This isn’t a debating society with various opinions. Abortion is directly a Church issue and has been forever defined in its prohibition. The bishop must move against a public ‘Catholic’ in, yet again, a sin of scandal. And in the public manner, as this ‘Catholic’ coach did, as in denying Communion. Of course he won’t be reprimanded by the school. So what! But Burke must act.

The bishop is making too much of this?!??! You sir, err greatly.
 
tzarno1 said:
‘Mountain out of a mole hill.’

A Catholic supporting the killing of babies in a public announcement. Either Christ gave his Bride - the Church - the power to bind and loose or He didn’t. This isn’t a debating society with various opinions. Abortion is directly a Church issue and has been forever defined in its prohibition. The bishop must move against a public ‘Catholic’ in, yet again, a sin of scandal. And in the public manner, as this ‘Catholic’ coach did, as in denying Communion. Of course he won’t be reprimanded by the school. So what! But Burke must act.

The bishop is making too much of this?!??! You sir, err greatly.
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What if it was a janitor or school cook making an announcement in day to day life? Would Burke care? Otherwise he is picking and choosing his denouncements for media time.
A spokesman for the university, Jeff Fowler, said Majerus’ comments were not related to his role at the university.
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“Rick’s comments were his own personal view. They were made at an event he did not attend as a university representative,” Fowler said. “It was his own personal visit to the rally. The comments were his, he was not speaking for the university in whatever comments he made to Channel 4.”
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The University maintains he was doing this on his own time and not attaching any part of the school to himself. Remember, we cannot see everyone’s souls and there are many definitions of “pro-choice” and “pro-life” floating around out there, some more purposely political narrow than others.
 
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