Archbishop Romero had no interest in liberation theology, says secretary [CNA]

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Liberation theology has not been banned or condemned by the Church. Cardinal Muller, the head of the CDF, has explained that there are good and bad versions of liberation theology, but the core teachings of liberation theology are consistent with Catholicism.
 
I am having trouble with this

Again I am coming from an American perspective on civil war.
An American perspective? Not necessarily…I think it’s difficult for many to understand an association of sacerdotal duties with revolutionary politics.

But I would think Pope Francis, above all, would understand the political scene being played out during this time.
 
An American perspective? Not necessarily…I think it’s difficult for many to understand an association of sacerdotal duties with revolutionary politics.

But I would think Pope Francis, above all, would understand the political scene being played out during this time.
Precisely. As (North) Americans we tend to have a polarized media-driven black-or-white good vs. “bad” view of politics in Central and South America, where in reality I think there are many shades of gray. Who better to have a more realistic, and truthful, insight into all that than Pope Francis?
 
Liberation theology has not been banned or condemned by the Church. Cardinal Muller, the head of the CDF, has explained that there are good and bad versions of liberation theology, but the core teachings of liberation theology are consistent with Catholicism.
Three names…
  1. Leonardo Boff in 1985 silenced him for a year for his book Church: Charism and Power.
Boff was almost silenced again in 1992 by Rome, this time to prevent him from participating in the Eco-92 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, which finally led him to leave the Franciscan religious order and the priestly ministry.
  1. Gustavo Gutierrez
Fr. Gustavo Gutiérrez: Often called the “father of liberation theology,” Gutiérrez has had to face numerous investigations by the Vatican. In 1983, the Peruvian bishops received a notification from the Vatican containing 10 complaints about Gutiérrez’s writings. They declined the request to condemn them. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued instructions in 1984 and 1986 that criticized certain aspects of liberation theology. In 1988, the congregation began another investigation of Gutiérrez.
He has since left Peru and is a professor at Notre Dame.
  1. Ernesto Cardenal
He was relieved of priestly duties around 1983 because he would not leave a government position with the Sandinista government. At age 90, he sees this government as a betrayal.
rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/nicaraguan-poet-and-priest-ernesto-cardenal-laments-betrayal-of-sandinista-revolution/

saw this thread
“Their errors stem from the tenets of “liberation theology,” a Marxist interpretation of religion. This “theology” originated in Latin America in the late seventies and was condemned by the Church on August 6, 1984, in the Instruction on Certain Aspects of the “Theology of Liberation,” signed by the then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger.7”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=947682&highlight=liberation+theology

What I am reading is that Pope Francis no longer sees communism as a threat. The cold war is over, these priests(former priests) have aged and it is time to move forward.
 
Three names…
  1. Leonardo Boff in 1985 silenced him for a year for his book Church: Charism and Power.
  2. Gustavo Gutierrez
He has since left Peru and is a professor at Notre Dame.
  1. Ernesto Cardenal
He was relieved of priestly duties around 1983 because he would not leave a government position with the Sandinista government. At age 90, he sees this government as a betrayal.
rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/nicaraguan-poet-and-priest-ernesto-cardenal-laments-betrayal-of-sandinista-revolution/

saw this thread

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=947682&highlight=liberation+theology

What I am reading is that Pope Francis no longer sees communism as a threat. The cold war is over, these priests have aged and it is time to move forward.
I agree with your conclusion. But my statement is also true - the head of the CDF has clarified that liberation theology is consistent with Catholic teaching.
 
I agree with your conclusion. But my statement is also true - the head of the CDF has clarified that liberation theology is consistent with Catholic teaching.
source?

Times article(Sept. 2014)…

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This month Pope Francis also lifted a ban from saying Mass imposed nearly 30 years ago upon Rev. Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann, who had been suspended as a priest for serving as foreign minister in Nicaragua’s revolutionary Sandinista government in the same era.
He is another elderly priest.
Moreover, Father Gutiérrez has recently co-authored a new book with Archbishop Gerhard Müller, the current head of the C.D.F., who was appointed to the post by Benedict XVI
Gutierrez had been invited to Vatican to meet with Pope. He is 87 this year. I think it may be of a move to say communism is dead along with liberation theology in the South American and Latin American countries where it is no longer relevant. Let’s move forward.
 
source?

Times article(Sept. 2014)…

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He is another elderly priest.

Gutierrez had been invited to Vatican to meet with Pope. He is 87 this year. I think it may be of a move to say communism is dead along with liberation theology in the South American and Latin American countries where it is no longer relevant. Let’s move forward.
I have seen multiple interviews and statements from Cardinal Muller on liberation theology. Here is one:

insidethevatican.com/uncategorized/liberation-theology-interview-archbishop-gerhard-ludwig-muller

If you google “Cardinal Muller liberation theology”, you will find many more.
 
I have seen multiple interviews and statements from Cardinal Muller on liberation theology. Here is one:

insidethevatican.com/uncategorized/liberation-theology-interview-archbishop-gerhard-ludwig-muller

If you google “Cardinal Muller liberation theology”, you will find many more.
I would agree with you that “parts” of liberation theology are fine and that is what Cardinal Muller is saying, that’s it , nothing more.

There is no resurgence in the church to bring this theology back. It was big in the 70’s, 80’s and some of the 90’s but it is no longer relevant. In fact here is an article on how Pope Francis fought to oppose it.

chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350613?eng=y
 
I would like to make a special appeal to the men of the army, and specifically to the ranks of the National Guard, the police and the military. Brothers, you come from our own people. You are killing your own brother peasants when any human order to kill must be subordinate to the law of God which says, “Thou shalt not kill.” No soldier is obliged to obey an order contrary to the law of God. No one has to obey an immoral law. It is high time you recovered your consciences and obeyed your consciences rather than a sinful order. The church, the defender of the rights of God, of the law of God, of human dignity, of the person, cannot remain silent before such an abomination. We want the government to face the fact that reforms are valueless if they are to be carried out at the cost of so much blood. In the name of God, in the name of this suffering people whose cries rise to heaven more loudly each day, I implore you, I beg you, I order you in the name of God: stop the repression.
I still don’t understand this part of the homily but will wait to see what is said, when and if the beatification takes place on May 23th.
 
I still don’t understand this part of the homily but will wait to see what is said, when and if the beatification takes place on May 23th.
The war did include massacres of noncombatants, including the poor and women and children.
 
And if this is true; I certainly wont be going there!

OH NO!:eek:
“My young brother asked me what happens after we die. I told him we get buried under a bunch of dirt and worms eat our bodies. I guess I should have told him the truth – that most of us go to hell and burn eternally – but I didn’t want to upset him.” - Jack Handey 😃
 
Can anyone supply info that determined +Romero was assassinated, not as a result of political activity, but because of the Catholic faith?
Can you prove that Thomas Becket was killed for the faith rather than as a result of a power struggle with Henry II? If +Romero isn’t a martyr then neither is Becket.

His “political activity” was speaking out against an oppressive gov’t in defense of his flock.
The issue is clouded because leftists and liberation theologists gathered under his cassock, so to speak. +Romero was doctrinally orthodox and promoted the cause of Josemaria Escriva, founder of Opus Dei. If he had been Archbishop of Managua and shot for speaking out against the Sandinista regime I doubt anyone would even be questioning his actions.
 
Can you prove that Thomas Becket was killed for the faith rather than as a result of a power struggle with Henry II? If +Romero isn’t a martyr then neither is Becket.

His “political activity” was speaking out against an oppressive gov’t in defense of his flock.
The issue is clouded because leftists and liberation theologists gathered under his cassock, so to speak. +Romero was doctrinally orthodox and promoted the cause of Josemaria Escriva, founder of Opus Dei. If he had been Archbishop of Managua and shot for speaking out against the Sandinista regime I doubt anyone would even be questioning his actions.
Maybe the issue is that it was an oppressive government, not reasonable. The other side was a Marxist rebel group. I believe the government had 8 or 9 dictators in a 10 year period.

Even the 90 year priest who took part in the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua, said Ortega as dictator certainly didn’t turn out the way he thought.

I thought archbishop Romero did a great job trying to bring the groups closer by talking and by essentially staying out of it during the mass. It certainly had to be an impossible situation.
 
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Can you prove that Thomas Becket was killed for the faith rather than as a result of a power struggle with Henry II? If +Romero isn’t a martyr then neither is Becket.
Thomas Becket was killed because he saw his oath as an allegiance to God before his oath of allegiance to his sovereign. He was given the position of Archbishop of Canterbury , a position he probably didn’t want.

One of the main issues is who had jurisdiction over the courts especially in church cases. Granted it was a power struggle. Becket fled and stayed away for some time and then decided to come back under the impression that he was to be safe but probably was concerned.

If we are to compare, I think Becket is similar to Thomas More and all the other martyred during King Henry reign. It was a total split this time.

Archbishop Romero was placed in the most horrendous conditions caught between two groups in a civil war. Many nations in South America were going through this same difficulty with one dictator after another. He really did not speak from the pulpit until the end. He tried to bring the group closer outside the mass but I don’t believe he succeeded or felt he was succeeding…
It is more an issue of responsibility to speak against repression (injustices) or not
 
The civil war in El Salvador was a blood curdling mess that lasted almost 13 years. Abp. Romero’s involvement in that war occurred at its very beginning. He was assassinated in March of 1980; the war ended in 1992.

The antagonists in the civil war were right wing landholders and military (tacitly supported by the USA) versus the left wing Marxist-Leninista FMLN (who were held under the thrall of communist Cuba and Nicaragua). The average Salvadorans who had no allegiance to either side and were caught in between, and they became the victims of the political animus that blossomed between two uncompromising combatants.

El Salvadorans are not communists, but the FMLN, taking advantage of the criminally unbalanced economic conditions of the era, incited some (but most certainly not all) of the peasants to rise up in revolt. The FMLN preached class warfare and, unfortunately, many in the Church encouraged their faithful to take part in the disaster that was about to unfold. These were priests and nuns influenced by Liberation Theology. Abp. Romero was, I suspect, complicit with their cause. But I think his involvement was more innocent than deliberate. I think he was well-intentioned but naive. I don’t think he embraced Liberation Theology in its fullness.

Following the death by assassination of his friend, Fr. Rutilio Grande, a “progressive” priest, at the hands of the right wingers, Romero made the unfortunate decision to write an open letter to the President of the United States (Jimmy Carter) asking him to not fund the current El Salvadoran government. This was a strategic mistake, because the archbishop had made his gripe against the ruling junta public. He made enduring enemies by stepping across the often invisible line that separates Church and State. Once you cross that line, you have picked sides, and Romero had chosen the side of the leftists.

As far as the junta was concerned, their archbishop had brought shame to their cause and there was no more room for anymore conversation. Romero had burned his bridge. And this, I think, is where the tragedy lay – because, as a prominent clergyman who represents *all *of the people, and not just some, Archbishop Romero needed to keep the lines of communication open – even though that might mean he had to talk with the men who had killed his friend.

Romero’s mistake was fatal. His enemies would no longer listen to him and they began to plot against him in earnest. The die was cast – the bishop must be silenced.

Prior to his writing the letter to the US president, Romero, as a respected clergyman, had the ability to walk directly into the corridors of power – on both sides of the issue – to speak about ways to conduct peace not war. But once he crossed over to the other side, he lost that ability. The Right would now refuse to listen, and the atheist Left would now be free to treat him (to quote Lenin) as a “useful idiot” that he had become.

Upon Oscar Romero’s death, the people of El Salvador sank into a tragedy that consumed their nation for more than a decade and took the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people.

Oscar Romero was a brilliant, holy and loving man, but he was also a bishop, and, as such, he had responsibilities to shepherd all the faithful. I feel that the tightrope he was forced to tread was too thin for him to walk on, and it broke under the weight of history.
 
I have believed from the very beginning that Archbishop Romero is a saint. So do a vast number of Christians throughout Central America. Romero spoke up for the poor and victims of violence during a time when a military government was brutalizing its own people. Was he interested in Liberation Theology? I think he was less interested in the theology than in the liberation from violence and injustice he saw afflicting his people. He was a shepherd and, like a true shepherd, he refused to hide behind piety or excuses or to turn away when the wolf attacked his flock. He was warned, threatened, cajoled, humored, ignored, but he refused to back down. He knew what faced him if he remained true to his vocation as the shepherd of his people, and he was faithful. He was martyred. He wasn’t a communist or a theologian. He was a bishop. He was a Christian. He is a martyr for justice and for the Lord.
 
The civil war in El Salvador was a blood curdling mess that lasted almost 13 years. Abp. Romero’s involvement in that war occurred at its very beginning. He was assassinated in March of 1980; the war ended in 1992.

The antagonists in the civil war were right wing landholders and military (tacitly supported by the USA) versus the left wing Marxist-Leninista FMLN (who were held under the thrall of communist Cuba and Nicaragua). The average Salvadorans who had no allegiance to either side and were caught in between, and they became the victims of the political animus that blossomed between two uncompromising combatants.

El Salvadorans are not communists, but the FMLN, taking advantage of the criminally unbalanced economic conditions of the era, incited some (but most certainly not all) of the peasants to rise up in revolt. The FMLN preached class warfare and, unfortunately, many in the Church encouraged their faithful to take part in the disaster that was about to unfold. These were priests and nuns influenced by Liberation Theology. Abp. Romero was, I suspect, complicit with their cause. But I think his involvement was more innocent than deliberate. I think he was well-intentioned but naive. I don’t think he embraced Liberation Theology in its fullness.

Following the death by assassination of his friend, Fr. Rutilio Grande, a “progressive” priest, at the hands of the right wingers, Romero made the unfortunate decision to write an open letter to the President of the United States (Jimmy Carter) asking him to not fund the current El Salvadoran government. This was a strategic mistake, because the archbishop had made his gripe against the ruling junta public. He made enduring enemies by stepping across the often invisible line that separates Church and State. Once you cross that line, you have picked sides, and Romero had chosen the side of the leftists.

As far as the junta was concerned, their archbishop had brought shame to their cause and there was no more room for anymore conversation. Romero had burned his bridge. And this, I think, is where the tragedy lay – because, as a prominent clergyman who represents *all *of the people, and not just some, Archbishop Romero needed to keep the lines of communication open – even though that might mean he had to talk with the men who had killed his friend.

Romero’s mistake was fatal. His enemies would no longer listen to him and they began to plot against him in earnest. The die was cast – the bishop must be silenced.

Prior to his writing the letter to the US president, Romero, as a respected clergyman, had the ability to walk directly into the corridors of power – on both sides of the issue – to speak about ways to conduct peace not war. But once he crossed over to the other side, he lost that ability. The Right would now refuse to listen, and the atheist Left would now be free to treat him (to quote Lenin) as a “useful idiot” that he had become.

Upon Oscar Romero’s death, the people of El Salvador sank into a tragedy that consumed their nation for more than a decade and took the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people.

Oscar Romero was a brilliant, holy and loving man, but he was also a bishop, and, as such, he had responsibilities to shepherd all the faithful. I feel that the tightrope he was forced to tread was too thin for him to walk on, and it broke under the weight of history.
I didn’t realize he wrote a letter asking our government not to fund these dictators. It was during the cold war so I am sure they felt it was the best option. Having another Cuba near the US did not appeal to them. This certainly had to cause a problem if this was public knowledge and also the homilies.

I agree it was a tightrope and it broke.
 
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