Archbishop Tutu - I would rather go to Hell than worship a homophobic God

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CR89er said:
He was already a heretic, so is anyone really surprised?
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This is sort of my thinking. He’s not Catholic so I sort of shake my head, shrug my shoulders, and move on. It is almost no different than Obama or Cameron supporting gay marriage.
 
coachkfan1 said:
This is sort of my thinking. He’s not Catholic so I sort of shake my head, shrug my shoulders, and move on. It is almost no different than Obama or Cameron supporting gay marriage.
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I hate that so many Catholics see gay marriage as a religious issue and as a specifically Catholic doctrine. It simply is not. It is a matter of the natural law and of the protection of the civil order.
 
This whole thing is so absurd that it reminds me of a song.

The Smiths - Vicar in a Tutu
youtube.com/watch?v=Zr47O72Kfh4

LYRICS:
I was minding my business
Lifting some lead off
The roof of the Holy Name church
It was worthwhile living a laughable life
To set my eyes on the blistering sight
Of a vicar in a tutu
He’s not strange
He just wants to live his life this way

A scanty bit of a thing
With a decorative ring
That wouldn’t cover the head of a goose
As Rose collects the money in a canister
Who comes sliding down the banister ?
The vicar in a tutu
He’s not strange
He just wants to live his life this way

The monkish monsignor
With a head full of plaster
Said : “My man, get your vile soul dry-cleaned”
As Rose counts the money in the cannister
As natural as Rain
He dances again
The vicar in a tutu
Oh yeah
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah …

The next day in the pulpit
With Freedom and Ease
Combatting ignorance, dust, and disease
As Rose counts the money in the cannister
As natural as Rain
He dances again and again and again
In the fabric of a tutu
Any man could get used to
And I am a living sign
And I’m a living sign …
 
JRKH said:
hhmmmm…a brief article - hardly more than a blurb - with just a couple of sentences / quotes from the man. I hardly think that this is sufficient for any of us to make a judgement on the state of the man’s soul.

That said…I agree with others who have said that God is indeed not homo-phobic…how could God “fear” homosexuals…After all, that is what a phobia is…it’s a fear.
Neither is the Church homophobic…the Church does not “fear” homosexuals.

Yet the media and the homosexual community has hit upon this word - probably because "phobia’s are seen as mental disorders - as defined in the context of clinical psychology. (See Here for the actual definition). Thus the gay community can dismiss the deeply held religious belief as being irrational and present it to the world as a “sickness”…

In short, “Homophobia” is a grossly overused term that is, in the vast majority of cases, quite inaccurate.

It is truly sad to see someone with as much clout as Mr Tutu has using such an inaccurate term…unless - as is certainly possible - he is being quoted out of context.

Peace
James
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I do not see anything in what Archbishop Tutu said that contradicts Catholic teaching. Can someone help me out?
 
godisgood77 said:
I do not see anything in what Archbishop Tutu said that contradicts Catholic teaching. Can someone help me out?
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If one chooses Hell for ANY reason, one has rejected Heaven and God. That contradicts Catholic teaching.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I don’t understand why you say this.

The article here specifically says that Tutu is against violence, prejudice, and discrimination against gay people.
It says he is against homophobia, which is, “unreasonable fear of or aversion, dislike, hatred toward homosexuals.”

God is not homophobic, as one poster points out. Right?

So how is that talking against Jesus in any way?

Is this, above, not what the Catholic church teaches?

The Catholic church does not teach members to be violent, prejudiced, discriminatory and hateful against gay people. (right?)

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Homosexual sex acts are evil. They spread disease and death. This Christian leader is putting his blessing upon them by his approval of homosexual sex acts which is not mentioned in the article but is what he means by “homophobia”.

This is what Tutu means by “homophobia”:
“Churches say that the expression of love in a heterosexual monogamous relationship includes the physical – the touching, embracing, kissing, the genital act; the totality of our love makes each of us grow to become increasingly godlike and compassionate. If this is so for the heterosexual, what earthly reasons have we to say that it is not the case with the homosexual?”
huffingtonpost.com/desmond-tutu/religion-homosexuality_b_874804.html
 
Homosexual acts are inerently gravely sinful and disordered.

Let’s not put a pretty bow on it and turn a blind eye to that fact. You do no one a favor, least of all to the person whose particular cross this is to bear.

Tutu is absolutely in the wrong if this above quote is what he said.
 
I gotta imagine what the anglican priests and Bishops 100 years ago would say to statements like these.
 
I think the single greatest and most demonic insult to the civil rights movement and those who struggled against apartheid and racism is to compare the sexual confusion and libertine movement to those who struggled at the risk of their lives to defend and uphold the dignity of each man and woman and of the whole human race; whereas, sexual libertines rave and fight to degrade and deny that dignity and return us to a slavery of whim, benightedness and lust. They would reduce us to the impulses and instincts of beasts.

Mr. Tutu, congratulations: you have just seperated yourself from the truly Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
 
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