Archbishop Under Fire for Church Teaching on Homosexuality Supported by Catholic Parents

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He is my new Archbishop and from what I have read he speaks with the mind and the heart of Christ and His Church. He has already spoken out about contraception and now this! Yea! He is not afraid to take on the difficult subjects. He is truely a gift to our Church!
 
The_Rock said:
But SSA is disordered according to the Church. Am I wrong in believing that we will all have to rid ourselves of every disordered passion before we can enter the kingdom? If I am correct will You accept this as part of the Church’s full teaching on the subject? Or do you believe we can enter heaven clinging to our disordered inclinations?
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The Church indeed teaches that it is disordered but there are no requirements that one be free from all inclinations to enter the kingdom. Otherwise the Church would stipulate that those with SSA must go through change therapy and completely change. They only expect us to live chaste lives according to our state in life. Having SSA is not living an unchaste life.
 
goofyjim said:
The Church indeed teaches that it is disordered but there are no requirements that one be free from all inclinations to enter the kingdom. Otherwise the Church would stipulate that those with SSA must go through change therapy and completely change. They only expect us to live chaste lives according to our state in life. Having SSA is not living an unchaste life.
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It does not nessesarily follow that the Church would require you to go through change therapy if you needed to rid yourself of this attraction before you can enter heaven. I am attracted to women who I am not married to. However I realize that I must fight against this attraction. The Church doesn't require me to go to therapy. And I do think I will have to be purified of being attacted to any sin before I enter heaven,either now or in purgatory. So yes, I do believe we must be free from all inclination towards sin before we can enter heaven. I also believe this is what the Church teaches.
 
The_Rock said:
It does not nessesarily follow that the Church would require you to go through change therapy if you needed to rid yourself of this attraction before you can enter heaven. I am attracted to women who I am not married to. However I realize that I must fight against this attraction. The Church doesn’t require me to go to therapy. And I do think I will have to be purified of being attacted to any sin before I enter heaven,either now or in purgatory. So yes, I do believe we must be free from all inclination towards sin before we can enter heaven. I also believe this is what the Church teaches.
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Our very nature as humans is inclined towards sin. It is only the sin itself that needs to be purged before entrance into heaven. The attraction towards the same or opposite sex is not a sin.
 
goofyjim said:
Our very nature as humans is inclined towards sin. It is only the sin itself that needs to be purged before entrance into heaven. The attraction towards the same or opposite sex is not a sin.
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You have to learn to fight your attractions. Remember what the devil did to trick Adam and Eve? He uses lies and deception. We have to take our sexual desires and put them in the Lord’s hands.
 
bones_IV said:
You have to learn to fight your attractions. Remember what the devil did to trick Adam and Eve? He uses lies and deception. We have to take our sexual desires and put them in the Lord’s hands.
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But the attractions are not sin. We only need to keep from sin.
 
The idea of freedom of religion is radically different from the PC notion of freedom FROM religion.

Interestingly, Newt Ginrich is on BookTV this very evening with an “In Depth” segment for three hours talking about this very idea.

You might be able to catch him as it is being repeated. Worth listening to. Or visit www.booktv.org and he’s right there on the front “page” of the Home Page. Click on “In Depth” and then when Ginrich’s page opens, click on the upper right to “View Now”.

He’s written something like 14 books including his current on “Pearl Harbor” and his new book coming out in January.

He is very very vigorous about the First Amendment right to Freedom of Religion and about the huge push-pull going on right now between militant secularism and religion.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
Is he not fighting his urges by living a chaste lifestyle, and not succuming to SSA urges?
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I said,

“You have to learn to fight your attractions. Remember what the devil did to trick Adam and Eve? He uses lies and deception. We have to take our sexual desires and put them in the Lord’s hands.”

Then he said,
“But the attractions are not sin. We only need to keep from sin.”

He was acting as if though I what I was saying was heretical.
 
bones_IV said:
I said,

“You have to learn to fight your attractions. Remember what the devil did to trick Adam and Eve? He uses lies and deception. We have to take our sexual desires and put them in the Lord’s hands.”

Then he said,
“But the attractions are not sin. We only need to keep from sin.”

He was acting as if though I what I was saying was heretical.
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And you’re acting as though I am heretical. I am not being tricked by the devil. I have SSA. It is my thorn in the flesh. It will always be there while I walk this earth. I fully believe that despite it I will be welcomed into Jesus’ loving arms upon my death.
 
goofyjim said:
And you’re acting as though I am heretical. I am not being tricked by the devil. I have SSA. It is my thorn in the flesh. It will always be there while I walk this earth. I fully believe that despite it I will be welcomed into Jesus’ loving arms upon my death.
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Homosexuality comes from the devil.
 
bones_IV said:
Homosexuality comes from the devil.
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Look maybe homosexual behavior comes from the devil but same sex attraction is not some evil. Get that out of your head. It is no more evil than fidning the opposite sex attractive. The evil is in acting on it.
 
I guess I just don’t understand the stance that homosexuality is a sin. I realize that homosexual acts, like heterosexual acts outside of marriage, are illicit and sinful.
I don’t understand how a sexual desire itself is sinful. Is it sinful for me (a woman) to desire men? If not, then how is it sinful for a man to desire another man? If neither of us acts on said desire, what sin is committed? I realize that Our Lord said that lusting in one’s heart is a sin, but a desire is just that, it is not lust. Thus, how is it sinful?
 
goofyjim said:
So is heterosexual desire outside of marriage then.😛
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The facts show that those inclined to homosexuality can still behave like heterosexuals and this inclined to heterosexuality can still behave like homosexuals. So the answer to sexuality, that great mystery, is to be found in man’s use of his free will.
 
goofyjim said:
So is heterosexual desire outside of marriage then.😛
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Goofyjim, I get the impression that you’re trying to minimize the homosexual agenda. The SSA gene theory is a great crutch to use, too bad it’s not scientifically or theologically sound. If the “gay gene” has been identified we’d be having discussions about the morality of having the gene eliminated in fetal in vitro infants; just like they are doing with other types of birth defects and or genetic make up. But we’re not having those discussions because there is no “gay gene.” If a person has same sex attraction and wishes to live out a life in Christ then of course he or she must remain chaste but also work in prayerful hope of eliminating the attraction. You get rid of sin by yanking it our of your soul by the roots. Not by trimming it’s branches and containing it to a certain size.
 
bones_IV said:
Goofyjim, I get the impression that you’re trying to minimize the homosexual agenda. The SSA gene theory is a great crutch to use, too bad it’s not scientifically or theologically sound. If the “gay gene” has been identified we’d be having discussions about the morality of having the gene eliminated in fetal in vitro infants; just like they are doing with other types of birth defects and or genetic make up. But we’re not having those discussions because there is no “gay gene.” If a person has same sex attraction and wishes to live out a life in Christ then of course he or she must remain chaste but also work in prayerful hope of eliminating the attraction. You get rid of sin by yanking it our of your soul by the roots. Not by trimming it’s branches and containing it to a certain size.
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I am not trying to minimize anything. But same sex attraction cannot be turned off and on like a light bulb. The attraction alone, as the Church as eloquently stated time and time again is not a sin and thus not evil. By living chastely even with SSA I have already avoided sin. There remains nothing to yank out.
 
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