Archbishop's aide calls Britain a 'hedonistic wasteland'

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Archbishop’s aide calls Britain a 'hedonistic wasteland’
The Roman Catholic archbishop of Westminster has distanced himself from an aide who said gay rights and the commercialisation of sex had turned Britain into a “selfish, hedonistic wasteland” and “the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”.
The comments from Edmund Adamus, director of pastoral affairs at the diocese of Westminster and an adviser to the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, have angered gay rights and secularists groups and provoked embarrassment among the Catholic hierarchy weeks before the pope visits Britain.
Senior figures, including Lord Patten of Barnes, have been keen to stress that the UK, while secular, is not anti-Catholic and that the pope is not flying into hostile territory.
 
I live in England, and from where I’m standing it’s not quite that bad yet!

Sure there’s problems, but I don’t quite recognises myself as living in the “geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”. I’m pretty sure there are worse places!
 
The article goes on to say “Adamus told the Catholic news agency Zenit there was an “aggressive anti-Catholic bias towards the church and the pontiff” in this country that exceeded even countries that violently persecuted Christians.”

I must say I think the guy has never heard of Saudi Arabia…
 
Archbishop’s aide calls Britain a 'hedonistic wasteland’
The Roman Catholic archbishop of Westminster has distanced himself from an aide who said gay rights and the commercialisation of sex had turned Britain into a “selfish, hedonistic wasteland” and “the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”.
The comments from Edmund Adamus, director of pastoral affairs at the diocese of Westminster and an adviser to the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, have angered gay rights and secularists groups and provoked embarrassment among the Catholic hierarchy weeks before the pope visits Britain.
Senior figures, including Lord Patten of Barnes, have been keen to stress that the UK, while secular, is not anti-Catholic and that the pope is not flying into hostile territory.
He never said “anti-Catholic.” He is very right in what he is saying. Ask yourself, other than some British priests and religious, when was the last time you met or heard of any believers there?

I live in NYC and have quite a few British friends and come in contact with many people from the UK passing through. I think every single one has mentioned at some point in my knowing them that they are atheists.

Something is very wrong in England and I think this man has touched on at least part of the problem.
 
Archbishop’s aide calls Britain a 'hedonistic wasteland’
The Roman Catholic archbishop of Westminster has distanced himself from an aide who said gay rights and the commercialisation of sex had turned Britain into a “selfish, hedonistic wasteland” and “the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”.
The comments from Edmund Adamus, director of pastoral affairs at the diocese of Westminster and an adviser to the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, have angered gay rights and secularists groups and provoked embarrassment among the Catholic hierarchy weeks before the pope visits Britain.
Senior figures, including Lord Patten of Barnes, have been keen to stress that the UK, while secular, is not anti-Catholic and that the pope is not flying into hostile territory.
good for him. he is courageous enough to speak up while many just sit in their seats and let the wolves devour the sheep. we know where the worl is heading. i wish more like him come forward. of course even Catholics will come against him instead of supporting him. no wonder we are becoming weak as a religion. why should the world listen to the CC when not even the Catholics do.
 
I live in NYC and have quite a few British friends and come in contact with many people from the UK passing through. I think every single one has mentioned at some point in my knowing them that they are atheists.

Something is very wrong in England and I think this man has touched on at least part of the problem.
Same friends and some family members from England here; they are the same way. (I’m married to a Brit.)

The only British believers I find are online like here.
 
And one only has to look at the comments on any given online British publication (BBC, Daily Mail, the Sun, Telegraph, etc.) to see how Religion in general is not just disliked, but **hated **over there.

And it’s getting like that here, just not as bad. For now.
 
Oh I wouldn’t worry about the comments… it’s generally only extremists who post things to comments pages on those sorts of sites: people who like the sounds of their own keyboards! They really aren’t representative of the population at large.

In general, Catholics in the UK aren’t particularly extreme. We’re a reasonably sedate and easy going lot (mainly as a result of our faith) and we’ve got that sort of British reserve going on that ignores the few screeching fanatics that try to bait us.

Perhaps that’s apathy, I don’t know. But it’s really not as bad as this Adamus person makes out in my experience of the country I live in!
 
Hedonistic wasteland, oh yeah, it’s only hedonistic wasteland… 😃
 
In general, Catholics in the UK aren’t particularly extreme. We’re a reasonably sedate and easy going lot (mainly as a result of our faith) and we’ve got that sort of British reserve going on that ignores the few screeching fanatics that try to bait us.

Perhaps that’s apathy, I don’t know. But it’s really not as bad as this Adamus person makes out in my experience of the country I live in!
I worked in the UK for six months, and that is my take on it. I didn’t run into any anti-theists or anti-Catholics while I was there. For the most part, it seemed to me that many people don’t seem to think about religion much in the UK. Other than the cost-of-living, I would move there - loved the people and the culture.
 
I worked in the UK for six months, and that is my take on it. I didn’t run into any anti-theists or anti-Catholics while I was there. For the most part, it seemed to me that many people don’t seem to think about religion much in the UK. Other than the cost-of-living, I would move there - loved the people and the culture.
I tend to agree with this statement.

I would describe England as more of a Secularized State where Religion has been Marginalized. 👍
 
I agree with the aide. Good for him. I am a British Catholic. We are off to Hell in a Handcart.
 
Funny you should mention him considering his “Man in a Purple Dress” is nothing but an anti-religious tirade.
 
Oh I wouldn’t worry about the comments… it’s generally only extremists who post things to comments pages on those sorts of sites: people who like the sounds of their own keyboards! They really aren’t representative of the population at large.

In general, Catholics in the UK aren’t particularly extreme. We’re a reasonably sedate and easy going lot (mainly as a result of our faith) and we’ve got that sort of British reserve going on that ignores the few screeching fanatics that try to bait us.

Perhaps that’s apathy, I don’t know. But it’s really not as bad as this Adamus person makes out in my experience of the country I live in!
I worked in the UK for six months, and that is my take on it. I didn’t run into any anti-theists or anti-Catholics while I was there. For the most part, it seemed to me that many people don’t seem to think about religion much in the UK. Other than the cost-of-living, I would move there - loved the people and the culture.
One verse came to mind regarding apathy…

“I know thy works that thou art neither cold nor hot. I would thou wert cold or hot. But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of My mouth. Because thou sayest; I am rich, and made wealthy, and have need of nothing; and knowest not, that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. I counsel thee to buy of Me gold, fire-tried, that thou mayest be made rich; and mayest be clothed in white garments, and that the shame of thy nakedness may not appear; and annoint thy eyes with eye-salve, that thou mayest see. Such as I love, I rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance.” Apocalypse 3:15
 
Yep. I also like Elton John, David Bowie and a host of other musicians whose music is far better than their religious and/or political statements…and don’t get me started on actors! 🙂
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As to the purpose of the thread - the point that rlg4086 made about people just not even thinking about religion in Britain is one I also have to agree with. People would think you slightly touched in the noggin here if you were too demonstrative about your faith.
IIRC, my boss would teasingly call me a fanatic after finding out I was Catholic and inquiring about a parish to attend Mass on the weekend. 😛
 
we know where the worl is heading. i wish more like him come forward. of course even Catholics will come against him instead of supporting him. no wonder we are becoming weak as a religion. why should the world listen to the CC when not even the Catholics do.
i agree wholeheartedly–england has way above average abortion rate for a western country and has produced a couple very anti-catholic influential atheists. they seem to be more open about thier anti-catholicism. too bad the bishop didn’t say this, they seem overly worried about offending people. this thought didn’t cross st. john the baptist when he rebuked herod for his unlawful marriage. a priest said at mass this week that the church is the world’s conscience, they hate to hear it but they need it because it’s the truth. and the truth has a ring to it.
 
Over the past 150 years the liberal/whiggish/do-gooder section of British society has transformed from being evangelical christian into being essentially materialistic and atheistic. Thats the main change there, and while outsiders often see Britain as being a polarised society between Tory aristocrats and Labour working Classes, the liberal middle classes (remembering that classes these days are quite fluid) confer a respectibility upon opinion, that the other two sections dont. For example these were the people that Tony Blair wooed successfully in the 1990s.

Liberalism is usually considered a dirty word in America, but in a different time and context it was an important positive development. Underpinning the liberal movement in the 19th century was the religious revival. Like in many continental catholic countries, the ostensibly religious aristocracy had presided over a corrupt church which tithed noncorformists and catholics of 10% of their earnings, turned a blind high to the practice of slavery and institutionalised repression and persecution of catholics in Ireland. Consequently Britain was one of the most violent, immoral and cruel nations on the face of the planet.

That all changed with the Evangelical Protestant revival in the 19th century, who attempted to get back to basics. They were also at the forefront of banning slavery and reviving sexual morality. So successful where they in the later, that British society transformed from the most lewd to the most “prude” society in Europe. The inhibited relationship of the Briton towards the subject of sex even became to be seen as a national characteristic and was often a target for comedy of the 60s onwards such as in Monthy Python. In Ireland, the liberal prime minister, Gladstone did more to free catholics from repression and persuction than any of his conservative peers. A profoundly religious man, Gladstone premiership represented the high water mark for the moral and decent Britain.

Now this liberal impulse still remains, and because it still seeks to fight injustice where it can, it has a certain respectibility in the minds of people that is not hard to fathom. However at some point in the 20th century, the guiding spirit of British liberalism, which was initialty christian, and based on christian charity, was dropped in favour of something more materialistic and atheistic. The goal remains the same - fight injustice - and that is good, however the definition of injustice, which was once seen as something that was unchristian has been highjacked by socialism and feminism. This of course is the innevitable course for all well-meaning protetant revivals. They are eventually undermined by their initial rebellion against the Authority - the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and subsequently they rationalise themselves out of existance. “the gates are narrow”.

A famous atheist feminist author for the liberal paper of choice, Joan Smith, has commented on the “hedonsitic wastelands” comments.
Her worldview is smug and self centered, but she sees herself on the side of fighting injustice.
independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/joan-smith/joan-smith-in-defence-of-modern-britain-2067886.html
 
A famous atheist feminist author for the liberal paper of choice, Joan Smith, has commented on the “hedonsitic wastelands” comments.
Her worldview is smug and self centered, but she sees herself on the side of fighting injustice.
independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/joan-smith/joan-smith-in-defence-of-modern-britain-2067886.html
From the article:
Joan Smith:
If that makes me a hedonist, so be it; as long as I’m not harming humans or animals, I can’t see anything wrong in enjoying myself.
What are they aborting, if not humans?
 
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