Archbishop's aide calls Britain a 'hedonistic wasteland'

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What are they aborting, if not humans?
Well setting aside the fact that the author is beyond any doubt a pro-abortionist, its the smugness which really condemns her, even in respect to the animals which she pretends to care for.
Its toleration brought to its ultimate level…Totally abosrved in teh self and toleration of absolutely anything so long as the self is not harmed. She admits to it
 
the archbishops aide is correct…the home to the Bank of “England” , which is really a private band and controls the federal reserve in the US and whose agents have infiltrated practically every country in the world and have significant control of US media and politics contributing greatly to their cause which is the destruction of Christian Civilization…
How does one tell a false prophet? he/she is popular…the true prophets are called crazy and lambasted…
rob epperly/author/sons of thunder
 
Over the past 150 years the liberal/whiggish/do-gooder section of British society has transformed from being evangelical christian into being essentially materialistic and atheistic. Thats the main change there, and while outsiders often see Britain as being a polarised society between Tory aristocrats and Labour working Classes, the liberal middle classes (remembering that classes these days are quite fluid) confer a respectibility upon opinion, that the other two sections dont. For example these were the people that Tony Blair wooed successfully in the 1990s.

Liberalism is usually considered a dirty word in America, but in a different time and context it was an important positive development. Underpinning the liberal movement in the 19th century was the religious revival. Like in many continental catholic countries, the ostensibly religious aristocracy had presided over a corrupt church which tithed noncorformists and catholics of 10% of their earnings, turned a blind high to the practice of slavery and institutionalised repression and persecution of catholics in Ireland. Consequently Britain was one of the most violent, immoral and cruel nations on the face of the planet.

That all changed with the Evangelical Protestant revival in the 19th century, who attempted to get back to basics. They were also at the forefront of banning slavery and reviving sexual morality. So successful where they in the later, that British society transformed from the most lewd to the most “prude” society in Europe. The inhibited relationship of the Briton towards the subject of sex even became to be seen as a national characteristic and was often a target for comedy of the 60s onwards such as in Monthy Python. In Ireland, the liberal prime minister, Gladstone did more to free catholics from repression and persuction than any of his conservative peers. A profoundly religious man, Gladstone premiership represented the high water mark for the moral and decent Britain.

Now this liberal impulse still remains, and because it still seeks to fight injustice where it can, it has a certain respectibility in the minds of people that is not hard to fathom. However at some point in the 20th century, the guiding spirit of British liberalism, which was initialty christian, and based on christian charity, was dropped in favour of something more materialistic and atheistic. The goal remains the same - fight injustice - and that is good, however the definition of injustice, which was once seen as something that was unchristian has been highjacked by socialism and feminism. This of course is the innevitable course for all well-meaning protetant revivals. They are eventually undermined by their initial rebellion against the Authority - the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and subsequently they rationalise themselves out of existance. “the gates are narrow”.

A famous atheist feminist author for the liberal paper of choice, Joan Smith, has commented on the “hedonsitic wastelands” comments.
Her worldview is smug and self centered, but she sees herself on the side of fighting injustice.
independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/joan-smith/joan-smith-in-defence-of-modern-britain-2067886.html
Great post. Thank you.👍
 
ZENIT: The lecture that you have planned as a lead-in to the Papal visit focuses primarily on the identity and role of men and women, particularly the former. Why is it important to highlight this theme at this time?
Adamus: There is a fundamental truth underpinning John Paul II’s adequate anthropology – one might call it theology of the body in shorthand. It goes something like: the calling of every man is the dignity of every woman; the vocation of every woman is the integrity of every man.
In other words – beset as we have been over many decades but more recently since the global onset of gender theory – more and more people are beginning to realize that the feminization of masculinity and the laddish culture that haunts the development of young girls and women is not providing the answers to life’s deepest questions.
John Paul II, as we know, in his catechesis invites us to ‘go back to the beginning’ to seek in the truth of the order of creation, something of what we dare to say is the “Divine imagination.”
That dream of God the Father Creator is that his daughters and sons in all relationships, but especially the marital, sexual one, be infused with the serenity and tranquility of our first parents.
This is not just being open to life in procreation, but respecting the expression of God’s life in each other – seeing one another with the eyes of God himself.
The interior gaze, as John Paul II called it, is crucial to male-female relating, especially for men because our DNA means that we are wired to remember the beauty and goodness of what we see and look upon first before we are captivated by what we hear, sense or feel.
So it is incumbent upon men to rejoice in this very masculine charism to see in women their intrinsic worth and beauty, precisely because they are women and no other reason.
Thereby in small actions and greater ones they exhibit countercultural signals against the selfish, hedonistic wasteland that is the objectification of women for sexual gratification.
Britain in particular, with its ever-increasing commercialization of sex, not to mention its permissive laws advancing the “gay” agenda, is such a wasteland.
The evil of pornography is something that must be addressed urgently, pastorally here, as elsewhere, as its levels of use by men and women is slowly being accepted as normative.
In short it is incumbent upon men, in paying due honor and respect to all women in all circumstances (especially our wives and daughters if we are married and are blessed with them), and thus we as men grow towards the fullness of our manhood in Christ, we become heroes, and we become of great service of the feminine.
Sometimes it helps to refer to the original interview than rely solely on the misleading article from The Guardian. zenit.org/article-30134?l=english
 
Sometimes it helps to refer to the original interview than rely solely on the misleading article from The Guardian. zenit.org/article-30134?l=english
You didn’t highlight the following sentence.
Britain in particular, with its ever-increasing commercialization of sex, not to mention its permissive laws advancing the “gay” agenda, is such a wasteland.
That’s what the Guardian article claimed the Archbishop’s aide said. What was misleading about the article?
 
Archbishop’s aide calls Britain a 'hedonistic wasteland’
The Roman Catholic archbishop of Westminster has distanced himself from an aide who said gay rights and the commercialisation of sex had turned Britain into a “selfish, hedonistic wasteland” and “the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”.
The comments from Edmund Adamus, director of pastoral affairs at the diocese of Westminster and an adviser to the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, have angered gay rights and secularists groups and provoked embarrassment among the Catholic hierarchy weeks before the pope visits Britain.
Senior figures, including Lord Patten of Barnes, have been keen to stress that the UK, while secular, is not anti-Catholic and that the pope is not flying into hostile territory.
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Thank God that someone speaks out for what Great Britain has become on the religious level.
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DexUK:
Read this story and then tell me if Britain is a ‘hedonistic wasteland’…

edp24.co.uk/content/edp24…A54%3A54%3A260

When communities get together to help out even the smallest of their number, that says to me that God is at work.
When a community gets together to help, it depends on that community. I don’t think we can stretch Edmund Adamus’ statement to apply to every single individual, but as somesort of majority. If the statement was true that it was to apply to every single individual, Adamus would also be targetting himself.

If any of those would like to support him for what he says, or applaud him for standing up, an e-mail of support would be excellent alongside with prayers.

His email is at rcdow.org.uk/pastoralaffairs/whoweare/default.asp?library_ref=19 (just click on his name)

God Bless,

Christopher.
 
Fr Ray Blake’s take on the topic.
Adamus blamed Parliament for allowing the country to become “the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”.
Here are some quotes:
  • “Whether we like it or not, as British citizens and residents of this country … Britain, and in particular London, has been and is the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death.”
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"...the most permissively anti-life and progressively anti-family and marriage, in essence one of the most anti-Catholic landscapes, culturally speaking – more even than those places where Catholics suffer open persecution."
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The Church needs to "exhibit counter-cultural signals against the selfish, hedonistic wasteland that is the objectification of women for sexual gratification".
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He said "permissive laws advancing the 'gay' agenda" were one example of how Britain had become such a "wasteland".*
Dull ol’ Liberals like Ma “P” might go round suggesting that the default position in most parishes is quiet acquiescence to the status quo but I find it exhilarating that the diocese of Westminster employs people like Adamus, not every employee of the Bishop’s of England and Wales is an Oona Stannard or a Greg Pope.
 
What was misleading about the article?
Did the article provide any support for this?
The Roman Catholic archbishop of Westminster has distanced himself from an aide… and provoked embarrassment among the Catholic hierarchy…
And this?
A spokesman for Nichols said the views expressed by Adamus “did not reflect the archbishop’s opinions”.
The article also edited the original interview to solicit reaction from those who are known to oppose the Catholic position on the issues raised without regard to the part where Mr Adamus quoted Archbishop Fulton Sheen
…used to say that there are not more than 200 people in the whole nation who really hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches
. It seems to be that the article’s sole purpose was to create mischief.
 
He never said “anti-Catholic.” He is very right in what he is saying. Ask yourself, other than some British priests and religious, when was the last time you met or heard of any believers there?

I live in NYC and have quite a few British friends and come in contact with many people from the UK passing through. I think every single one has mentioned at some point in my knowing them that they are atheists.

Something is very wrong in England and I think this man has touched on at least part of the problem.
I think the problem we have in England (or the UK) right now isn’t a lack of believers as such but rather a very loud small minority of atheists/secularists/humanists who, I must say, are getting undeserved attention by the secular media on a daily basis; both with anti-religious agendas. Please do not think that they are speaking for the whole of our nation. They aren’t. It is just that right now it seems to me that religious people are currently undergoing a battering and, along with our British reserve, aren’t speaking out enough about our faith for fear of being ridiculed, sneered at, and derided. I speak out very often online where most of the attacks on us are taking place. I have never ever been subjected to any abuse in real life from unbelievers. And I know plenty of believers - so we are still here. 😉

Not everyone uses the internet. And when Pope Benedict arrives in the UK I think there will be those who will be surprised if they come across any protests. But the protestors will be in very small groups and the pilgrims will outnumber them thousands to one. I am very concerned about the safety of the Pope (and I hate having to say it) but there are some nasty people who want war with religion. And the way Pope Benedict is being portrayed is a disgrace. To me, he is a man of great spiritual depth, as well as having a towering intellect. His humility and shyness are also endearing to me.

I’m Anglican and ecumenical. I have lots of friends who are Roman Catholic. I stick up for Catholicism and the Pope whenever I can online. And there are many others who do the same, so please don’t despair.

We UK Christians need to be more vocal, especially online, as there are lots of lies and mistruths being purported there.

Edit: Be ready for some new scandal to be broadcast by our media as Pope Benedict lands on our soil. Apparently the media have had a story for weeks and weeks and are only going to announce it when it suits their agenda.

Yours in Christ,
MagnumMysterium
 
I think the problem we have in England (or the UK) right now isn’t a lack of believers as such but rather a very loud small minority of atheists/secularists/humanists who, I must say, are getting undeserved attention by the secular media on a daily basis; both with anti-religious agendas. Please do not think that they are speaking for the whole of our nation. They aren’t. It is just that right now it seems to me that religious people are currently undergoing a battering and, along with our British reserve, aren’t speaking out enough about our faith for fear of being ridiculed, sneered at, and derided. I speak out very often online where most of the attacks on us are taking place. I have never ever been subjected to any abuse in real life from unbelievers. And I know plenty of believers - so we are still here. 😉
The atheists don’t appear to have British reserve. 🤷
 
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