Arctic scientist under investigation

[kimmielittle]

100 years worth of scientific predictions - all wrong:

lowerwolfjaw.com/agw/quotes.htm

Some highlights:

“Fifth ice age is on the way……Human race will have to fight for its existence against cold.” – Los Angles Times October 23, 1912

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot… Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone… Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. - Washington Post 11/2/1922

Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada, Professor Gregory of Yale University stated that “another world ice-epoch is due.” He was the American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress and warned that North America would disappear as far south as the Great Lakes, and huge parts of Asia and Europe would be “wiped out.” – Chicago Tribune August 9, 1923

Greenland’s polar climate has moderated so consistently that communities of hunters have evolved into fishing villages. Sea mammals, vanishing from the west coast, have been replaced by codfish and other fish species in the area’s southern waters. - August 29, 1954

After a week of discussions on the causes of climate change, an assembly of specialists from several continents seems to have reached unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder. - New York Times - January 30, 1961

It is now pretty clearly agreed that the CO2 content [in the atmosphere] will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter.- - Presidential advisor Daniel Moynihan 1969

“(By 1995) somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.” Sen. Gaylord Nelson, quoting Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, Look magazine, April 1970.

An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere. - New York Times - January 5, 1978

:clapping::clapping:

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Exactly. So far all the climate models have correctly proven is rule #1 of computer modeling: Garbage in, garbage out.

Humans aren’t remotely advanced enough yet to comprehend global climate trends. CO2 might indeed be a real threat. But it is almost equally likely that 20 years from now, people will be chuckling at today’s predictions the same way we are at these ones.

Life is about evaluating priorities and directing your resources to the highest priority. Sometimes selecting the priority is hard and the consequences large if you are wrong. It is true that if the AGW guys are right and nothing is done, our kids will suffer for it. It is also true that if the AGW guys are wrong and we blow a massive chunk of humanity’s efforts into reducing CO2 levels to no benefit instead of conducting OTHER efforts, our kids will suffer for it.

Life’s full of tough choices. Some people broke their family budgets building Soviet-proof bomb shelters in their backyards in the 50’s. IMO, their logic was very similar to the AGW alarmists: they failed to consider the opportunity costs involved in guarding against Doomsday and were left looking foolish.

Global Warming haas been Totally proven and caused by Man’s Burning, Industrial emissions during the last few hundred years. Only the U.S. Senate, operating as our Biggest Money wants, refuses to Sign the Reduction treaties every other Nation has. China has begun a Booming cleanup and Green Massive Industry, like We Should have. We are in the first Stages, all measurable, of a massive Global Warming that will alter Everything we are used to: the Greenland 2 mile thick Ice Sheet and Antarctic Ice sheets are melting/breaking off far more rapidly than had been thought. Sea levels have begun rising, measurably a little everywhere. Miai Beach likelly will be a great fishing site: shallow water, by 2100: our Grandchildren’s time. Battery power is an obsolete joke: counterproductive, 1940’s idea.

                                                                                                                       It's massive  amount of     All kinds Measured Data  put intio    Computer Models that Prove  Global Warming;  the  really bad effects   we still will  discover;  there is No   'Good   Side"  or  Good Outcome.  We  need to     Start       Green Protection   technology  Now,   as   Germny,  Europe, China  are  :  Hydrogen powered Cars   now   by  MB  in  California, etc.,  etc.

                                                                                                                    Things will be Vastly   worse, every  way,  by  2150-2200,  etc.  All indications is We  are  Causing the   Doom of Mankind     And God's ideal Earth  within  a few Centuries.  Not    caring about  God's ideal  Creation  Home   for Us   is Being  Destroyed By  Us: the Curreent generation.  It's   almost too late to late to  save our planet;  now is our Last chance.      Am   Scientifically  totally  Unbiased  and  Knowledgeable:  Jesuit  Physics  Major   College  1963    BS.

 

[Linda_Marie]

An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere. - New York Times - January 5, 1978

This can’t be right. We have been assured that ever since Man began pumping co2 into the atmosphere, the world has been warming, no cooling periods, just steadily warming, throughout the last century.

So where is all of the data for these 30 years of cooling in the 20th century. Been ‘adjusted’ to reflect the warming ideology, perhaps?

 

[rlg94086]

Global Warming haas been Totally proven and caused by Man’s Burning…

Well, there you go. Those people who go to Burning Man are a bunch of liberals, so liberals caused global warming…

 

[AntalKalnoky]

But it is more than one scientist. In late 2009, the IPCC’s credibility was severely compromised when emails between top authors and editors revealed they were deliberately falsifying data and suppressing dissenting scientists.

In New Zealand, Kiwigate, revealed that climate scientists artificially adjusted raw temperature records to make it appear that warming trends were steeper the raw data alone suggested. Kiwi records show no warming during the 20th century, but after government sponsored climatologists had manipulated the data a warming trend of 1C appeared.

Just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

In late 2009, there was a rediculous attempt to question the IPCC’s credibility; that failed because the examples of alteration were isolated, inconsequential compared to the vast other data used. It became bad-Press for the phony attempt by Industry. The 1C was the Tip of the Iceberg, proven Just Beggining. It’s almost too late to take the “Easy” steps other Nations Are Doing, and Building New Industries in: Europe, China on USA developed ideas like Algal doubled volume poil every 24 hours. And we’re offering a 1940’s idea of Batteris powered cars with 40 mile range? MB has Hydrogen powered cars in California, and preparing them for the Racing Circuit… We are the onlty advanced terchnology nation not to have signed the Kyoto accords, and tiny beggining of New green High Tech China is the leading developer on: National Policy. our 2000’s All warfare and unregulated Free Market Wall Street reversed prior USA Policies, priorities., Economic possibilitiers; we asre becoming third world because of 1980’s and 2000’s Reversal of USA Policies. The 2 miles thick Greenland and Antarctic Ice melting far more Rapidly is Proof we arre on Fast Track Begining of massive Global Warming, early beginning stages. Greenland Ice cover alone melting will raise sea Levels 21 feet. What would thaat do to the Major Coastal Cities? Where would NYC be, 21 foot higher sea level? There is Vastly More Ice on Antractica; More Severe weathers have Begun, noticeably.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

This can’t be right. We have been assured that ever since Man began pumping co2 into the atmosphere, the world has been warming, no cooling periods, just steadily warming, throughout the last century.

So where is all of the data for these 30 years of cooling in the 20th century. Been ‘adjusted’ to reflect the warming ideology, perhaps?

No scientist or knowledgeable person has said that there have never been no cold winters, or cooler Few years. It is the Logarithmically Net, Average Warming of Everything (Universally flagrant 1990 On): Oceans, Climate that is The Proof of Global Warming. Only USA Big Business that fights EPA and owns the Cobngress has kept the U.S. senate from Approving the Kyoto Accords or any Significant USA attempt to try to Slow Global Warming as every other country in the world has. And we are the Only advanced Economy Not to Start the New Big World Businesses we invented the Technology for: Green Power: Algea oils, Hydrogen (Water Powered) Cars, Wind Generators, Giant Solar powered Regional national Electric Generation (Spain, Brazil: *** Our invention***), etc.,etc. We Invented those Technologies; we will have to buy those Facilities from Other Nations, because of the radical 1980’s, 2000’s Biggest Money Subsidizing Presidencies switch to Giant Military, Wars spending, cutting People programs: Education, Higher Education, etc., etc. to Enrich, Subsidize the Richest and Most Profitable Corporations and Mega-Rich Where is Our Lord and His Church’s historic Policies of Higher Tax Payments by the Richest, to Grow the Society, our Peoples, Nation? Our Lord even taught to Pay Ceasars Denarios to Ceaser, especially because Rome had Major Public Works policies, as we used to. Enriching the very Richest, most powerful, has Never been even accepted, except during the Collapse of the Roman Empire…that we seem to be…

                                                                                                                      Answer:   Overwhelmed by    Biggest, Most Powerful  5%    Biggest Money   Greed  to take from Middle Class and Poor:  1980's,   2000's   (Successfully)*

• powerfully Documented in Wealth, Ownership Data last 2 years.

 

[kimmielittle]

In late 2009, there was a rediculous attempt to question the IPCC’s credibility; that failed because the examples of alteration were isolated, inconsequential compared to the vast other data used.

Let’s see how IPCC advertises itself:

“[The IPCC report] used only peer reviewed published science…” - Associated Press science writer Seth Borenstein, February 2007. This story appeared in newspapers large and small in countries that included Russia, Canada, and the United States.

“When asked if the discussion paper could be taken into consideration…[Pachauri] said, ‘IPCC studies only peer-review science. Let someone publish the data in a decent credible publication. I am sure IPCC would then accept it, otherwise we can just throw it into the dustbin.’” - Times of India, November 2009

As IPCC Chairman Rajendra K. Pachauri recently stated: ‘IPCC relies entirely on peer reviewed literature in carrying out its assessment…’" - US Environmental Protection Agency, December 2009 (bottom of PDF’s page 7

“This is based on peer-reviewed literature. That’s the manner in which the IPCC functions. We don’t pick up a newspaper article and, based on that, come up with our findings.” - Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC chairman, June 2008 (click quote to go to YouTube video. Remarks begin at 1 minute, 15 seconds)

“People can have confidence in the IPCC’s conclusions…Given that it is all on the basis of peer-reviewed literature.” - Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC chairman, June 2008

noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/not-as-advertised.php

How does it stack up to independent audit:

UN’s Climate Bible Gets 21 'F’s on Report Card
all 18,531 references cited in the 2007 IPCC report were examined
5,587 are not peer-reviewed
IPCC chairman’s claim that the report relies solely on peer-reviewed sources is not supported
each chapter was audited three times; the result most favorable to the IPCC was used
21 out of 44 chapters contain so few peer-reviewed references, they get an F
43 citizen auditors in 12 countries participated in this project
full report card here
detailed results here

noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/IPCC-report-card.php

noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/findings-main-page.php

I wonder how I would get / what degree I could get …with 21 F’s

 

[kimmielittle]

No scientist or knowledgeable person has said that there have never been no cold winters, or cooler Few years. It is the Logarithmically Net, Average Warming of Everything (Universally flagrant 1990 On): Oceans, Climate that is The Proof of Global Warming. Only USA Big Business that fights EPA and owns the Cobngress has kept the U.S. senate from Approving the Kyoto Accords or any Significant USA attempt to try to Slow Global Warming as every other country in the world has. And we are the Only advanced Economy Not to Start the New Big World Businesses we invented the Technology for: Green Power: Algea oils, Hydrogen (Water Powered) Cars, Wind Generators, Giant Solar powered Regional national Electric Generation (Spain, Brazil: *** Our invention***), etc.,etc. We Invented those Technologies; we will have to buy those Facilities from Other Nations, because of the radical 1980’s, 2000’s Biggest Money Subsidizing Presidencies switch to Giant Military, Wars spending, cutting People programs: Education, Higher Education, etc., etc. to Enrich, Subsidize the Richest and Most Profitable Corporations and Mega-Rich Where is Our Lord and His Church’s historic Policies of Higher Tax Payments by the Richest, to Grow the Society, our Peoples, Nation? Our Lord even taught to Pay Ceasars Denarios to Ceaser, especially because Rome had Major Public Works policies, as we used to. Enriching the very Richest, most powerful, has Never been even accepted, except during the Collapse of the Roman Empire…that we seem to be…

Can you give evidence that the “solutions” offered by the IPCC will mitigate even 1C?

Our Lord taught us Good Stewardship? That includes ECONOMIC Good Stewardship.
Can you provide proof that It is good economic stewardship to throw money into such as Cap and Trade schemes?

 

[kimmielittle]

No scientist or knowledgeable person has said that there have never been no cold winters, or cooler Few years. It is the Logarithmically Net, Average Warming of Everything (Universally flagrant 1990 On): Oceans, Climate that is The Proof of Global Warming. Only USA Big Business that fights EPA and owns the Cobngress has kept the U.S. senate from Approving the Kyoto Accords or any Significant USA attempt to try to Slow Global Warming

HERE IS THE MATH YOU NEED to prove Kayoto / ANY Cap and Trade will mitigate any climate changes.

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This will show you “Impact” results.

I will use IPCC’s own numbers. Which support man is the ONLY Driver of climate - a premise we know to be a lie.

First and foremost - Remember CO2 is not climate…it is gas. In other words, We can reduce the gas and not touch the Climate.

BUT say, I agree with you that CO2 drives climate AND we wanted to 'Mitigate" just 1C by reducing CO2. Here is what is required. That MAGIC number is 1,767,250.

And here is how we get that number: How much CO2 emissions are required to change the atmospheric concentration of CO2 by 1 part per million ppm ],

Then we’ll figure out how many ppms of CO2 it takes to raise the global temperature 1ºC. Then, we’ll have our answer.

Now we have what we need. It takes 14,138mmt of CO2 emissions to raise the atmospheric CO2 concentration by 1 ppm AND it takes 125 ppm to raise the global temperature 1ºC. So multiplying 14,138mmt/pmm by 125ppm /ºC gives us 1,767,250mmt /ºC.

Now, let’s apply this: Using IPCC numbers, again.

In the Waxman-Markey Climate Bill considered by Congress,
CO2 emissions from the U.S. in the year 2050 are proposed to be 83% less than they were in 2005.

In 2005, U.S. emissions were about 6,000 mmt,
So 83% below that would be 1,020mmt or a reduction of 4,980mmt CO2.
4,980 divided by 1,767,250 = 0.0028ºC per year.

In other words, even if the ENTIRE United States reduced its carbon dioxide emissions by 83% below current levels, it would only amount to a reduction of global warming of LESS than THREE-THOUSANDTHS of a ºC per year.

A number that is scientifically meaningless.

Of course, this is assuming CO2 is Climate Changes Driver…ignoring all other Natiural drivers, As AGW does. We know that to ignoreall other Natural drivers, we are premising a lie.

Now…Why would there be such a dramatic push for us to REDUCE THREE-THOUSANDTHS of a C…UNLESS, someone was making a killing…AND using AGW trying to scare us ??

You are welcome to test my math

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Q. What is the central estimate of the anthropogenic global warming, in Celsius degrees, that would be forestalled by 2020 if a) Australia alone and b) the whole world cut carbon emissions stepwise until by 2020 they were 5% below today’s emissions?

Answer a). Australia accounts for (at most) 1.5% of global carbon emissions. A stepwise 5% cut by 2020 is an average 2.5% cut from now till then. CO2 concentration by 2020, taking the IPCC’s A2 scenario, will be 412 parts per million by volume, compared with 390 ppmv now. So Man will have added 22 ppmv by 2020, without any cuts in emissions. The CO2 concentration increase forestalled by almost a decade of cap-and-tax in Australia would thus be 2.5% of 1.5% of 22 ppmv, or 0.00825 ppmv. So in 2020 CO2 concentration would be 411.99175 ppmv instead of 412 ppmv…

So the proportionate change in CO2 concentration if the Commission and Ms. Gillard got their way would be 411.99175/412, or 0.99997998. The IPCC says warming or cooling, in Celsius degrees, is 3.7-5.7 times the logarithm of the proportionate change: central estimate 4.7. Also, it expects only 57% of manmade warming to occur by 2100: the rest would happen slowly and harmlessly over perhaps 1000 years.

So the warming forestalled by cutting Australia’s emissions would be 57% of 4.7 times the logarithm of 0.99997998: that is – wait for it, wait for it – a dizzying 0.00005 Celsius, or around one-twenty-thousandth of a Celsius degree. Your estimate of a thousandth of a degree was a 20-fold exaggeration – not that Flannery was ever going to tell you that, of course.

Answer b) . We do the same calculation for the whole world, thus:

2.5% of 22 ppmv = 0.55 ppmv. Warming forestalled by 2020 = 0.57 x 4.7 ln(412-0.55)/412] < 0.004 Celsius, or less than four one-thousandths of a Celsius degree, or around one-two-hundred-and-eightieth of a Celsius degree. And that at a cost of trillions.

Quote:A cautionary note: the warming forestalled will only be this big if the IPCC’s central estimate of the rate at which adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming is correct. However, it’s at least a twofold exaggeration and probably more like fourfold. So divide both the above answers by, say, 3 to get what will still probably be an overestimate of the warming forestalled.



PS: The USA isn’t the only industrial Nation that has backed away from Cap and Trade Schemes Koyoto ]

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Let’s see how IPCC advertises itself:

noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/not-as-advertised.php

How does it stack up to independent audit:

UN’s Climate Bible Gets 21 'F’s on Report Card
all 18,531 references cited in the 2007 IPCC report were examined
5,587 are not peer-reviewed
IPCC chairman’s claim that the report relies solely on peer-reviewed sources is not supported
each chapter was audited three times; the result most favorable to the IPCC was used
21 out of 44 chapters contain so few peer-reviewed references, they get an F
43 citizen auditors in 12 countries participated in this project
full report card here
detailed results here

noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/IPCC-report-card.php

noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/findings-main-page.php

I wonder how I would get / what degree I could get …with 21 F’s

Your small, narrow self serving focused items do not challenge the IPCC and World’s Actions to Major League start fighting Proven Globakl Warming. All Advanced Societies are; except the USA Mega-Rich 2% Controlled no U.S.A. Your individual small energy/conservation actions Have been the norm, since the 1980’s.

 

[kimmielittle]

Your small, narrow self serving focused items do not challenge the IPCC and World’s Actions to Major League start fighting Proven Globakl Warming. All Advanced Societies are; except the USA Mega-Rich 2% Controlled no U.S.A. Your individual small energy/conservation actions Have been the norm, since the 1980’s.

Do you have anything to offer…other than your subjective speculations?

I provide you with evidential references…If you disagree…PLEASE offer some counter evidence,

I ask for evidence …not speculations or preaching without references…

 

[AntalKalnoky]

And Kimmie, your cited “Independent audit” are a tiny clique of Special Agenda biased attackers of IPPCS. The World and all Nations accept the Kyoto Accords, updated, and the original IPPCS, Except the U.S.A., and our now 5% Mega-Rich ‘owners’. fighting reality, as Your lines also use. What about Our Future Generations one, 200 hundred Years from now, much less 500, 1000 years? They literally will not be able to survive. I began Physics Major, at Jesuit College 1959, Nationally Recognized Jesuit Physicist; finished with BS. Am Highly Up to Date in Science, Events.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Do you have anything to offer…other than your subjective speculations?

I provide you with evidential references…If you disagree…PLEASE offer some counter evidence,

I ask for evidence …not speculations or preaching without references…

Kimmie, sweet, you’ve Only offered Highly Biased Fringe self-serving ‘Global warming is an evil ‘liberal plot’/agenda’ tiny opinions. I and Science have the Facts, universally Known, accepted. I’m only Addressing your presentations, for their Bias, falsehood, in plain English. Live in Truth, never Bias: My Catholic Grade Schhool Thorough College Education, in the Golden Era 1950’s-1963. We don’t have time or space here to offer the Vast, Universal Unbiased Data in Global Warming. Public Television and ‘a history channel’ have Hours of highly infomative Hours you can purchase. I’ve seen them repeatedly when presented, 1992 on. Vivat Jesu, Antal PS: The Catholic Church, Protestant leaders, even the Dalai Lamma have taught recently if our Responsibility to Protect, Defend our Ideal Earth Home.

 

[kimmielittle]

Am Highly Up to Date in Science, Events.

Then you should have no trouble proving we can mitigate 1C of the unproven Hypothesis of AGW.

I gave you the Maths needed in below posts: HAVE AT IT…no Scientist / No Politician / No Greenpeace / No Liberal / No Progressive / No Conservative / No Democrat / No Republican / No Libertarian… has yet

And Kimmie, your cited “Independent audit” are a tiny clique of Special Agenda biased attackers of IPPCS.

Had you bothered to investigate the links I offered…you would have seen…40 people 12 countries took part…

BUT…here is how logical debate works…YOUR ad hominem A fallacy in logic ]… doesn’t counter the findings…Attack the findings of the audit… If you wish to be taken with a grain of logic ].

IPCC misrepresents AR4 - The head of IPCC Misrepresents the AR4…that is Fact!!!

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Then you should have no trouble proving we can mitigate 1C of the unproven Hypothesis of AGW. Proven 1C Beginning of the Logarithmically Increasing Global Warming. Logarithmical Increase of All Temperatures: Oceans And Air and Land. Greenland and Antarctic Ice heets Melting Far more Rapidly is no accident.

I gave you the Maths needed in below posts: HAVE AT IT…no Scientist / No Politician / No Greenpeace / No Liberal / No Progressive / No Conservative / No Democrat / No Republican / No Libertarian… has yet

Millions of Scientists, All Nations except a couple, the USA being One, have The Datas Proving Begining of Global Warming. Alll Natuions except the USa Semate, Owned by Biggest Money, not Peopkle’s opinions unbiased.

Had you bothered to investigate the links I offered…you would have seen…40 people 12 countries took part… As I wrote, Kimmie: a TINY Fringe of The Agenda-biased!! Billions of People, a million Scientists, All Nation’s Policies, universal Knowledge Known Global warming Begining.

BUT…here is how logical debate works…YOUR ad hominem A fallacy in logic ]… doesn’t counter the findings…Attack the findings of the audit… If you wish to be taken with a grain of logic ].

Please read all the Base L:ine Facts I presented, to Disprove your fringe Special Agenda to fight the world with minutea biases.

IPCC misrepresents AR4 - The head of IPCC Misrepresents the AR4…that is Fact!!!

 

[kimmielittle]

Kimmie, sweet, you’ve Only offered Highly Biased Fringe self-serving ‘Global warming is an evil ‘liberal plot’/agenda’ tiny opinions.

Actually no…you’ve never seen me do that…WHY…because I attack the so called Science:. That tries to prove an unproven hypothesis.

I Don’t need ad hominem

I and Science have the Facts, universally Known, accepted.

Actually, wrong again…You have PAL-REVIEWED articles of faith… in an unproven hypothesis.

This is the Basic Premise of the hypothesis of AGW

The science behind the AGW hypothesis is that increased amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere (that humans produce by burning fossil fuels) will block more outgoing long-wave IR radiation (OLR) from exiting the atmosphere and thereby warm the surface. It is well-known that IR radiation causes CO2 molecules to vibrate, but only at very specific wavelengths (wavelengths are the distances between peaks of each wave), and that wavelength is 15µm. (Fifteen µm means that each wavelength crests at a distance of 15 millionths of a meter.) As was discussed above, this vibration of the molecule causes it to heat and then radiate IR radiation back toward the atmosphere and the surface of the Earth.of the planet.** If the solar activity is taken to remain constant, more CO2 in the atmosphere will trap more of the OLR, and thus cause a net heating **

AND yet…It has not been proven by nature…We know for one - Nature isn’t constant - let alone the Sun.

I’m only Addressing your presentations, for their Bias, falsehood, in plain English. Live in Truth, never Bias:

. Please provide evidence of this above statement

PS: The Catholic Church, Protestant leaders, even the Dalai Lamma have taught recently if our Responsibility to Protect, Defend our Ideal Earth Home.

Can you provide evidence that The Catholic Church has told us to embrace the hypothesis of AGW… OR ANY of it’s solutions?

We are called to be Good Stewards…We can be good stewards without believing in AGW or it’s schemes. IMO This is where you show a bias.

 

[kimmielittle]

AntalKalnoky:
Millions of Scientists???

Proven 1C Beginning of the Logarithmically Increasing Global Warming. Logarithmical Increase of All Temperatures: Oceans And Air and Land. Greenland and Antarctic Ice heets Melting Far more Rapidly is no accident.

Actually wrong…This does not prove you can mitigate even 1 C of Temperature.

It doesn’t even prove the hypothesis of AGW…What you wrote IS PART OF THE Hypothesis

NOT evidence.

 

[kimmielittle]

Attack this
IPCC misrepresents AR4 - The head of IPCC Misrepresents the AR4…that is Fact!!!

To do so…you have to attack those quotes / statements THEY made - I gave you links of their own words.

If you chose to ignore the report card audit I furnished…Have at it - AR4 is available on-line…read it for yourself

 

[Calliso]

Of course it should be noted that one scientist doesn;t really affect the whole issue of AGW theory much at all. Particularly when the issue really doesn;t have much to do with the science behind the causes of warming. Ok so the whole polar bears drowning thing was likely bogus, but that really still means nothing for the actual science it just means that the idea that global warming will make polar bears drown is pretty silly. And of course that doesn;t mean polar bears aren;t at risk. But starvation/loss of habitat is the danger here not drowning.

 

[kimmielittle]

Of course it should be noted that one scientist doesn;t really affect the whole issue of AGW theory much at all. Particularly when the issue really doesn;t have much to do with the science behind the causes of warming. Ok so the whole polar bears drowning thing was likely bogus, but that really still means nothing for the actual science it just means that the idea that global warming will make polar bears drown is pretty silly. And of course that doesn;t mean polar bears aren;t at risk. But starvation/loss of habitat is the danger here not drowning.

When Science / Scientists become Authoritarian… You MUST do this ]…

You are held to a much higher standard.

IMO this is where the AGW’ers made the biggest mistake.

Yes, this is only ONE case…But how many like cases have we seen in the AGW camp.

What about Jones / Wang 1990 that was used a a base to promote AGW. Wang and Jones swore up and down the data was there and correct - We haven’t heard from Mr Wang in quite awhile, since his University investigated him ].
.
OR the fact that we are assured of Peer-Review…Yet Mr Jones told MPs under oath

The most startling observation came when he was asked how often scientists reviewing his papers for probity before publication asked to see details of his raw data, methodology and computer codes. “They’ve never asked,” he said. guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/mar/01/phil-jones-commons-emails-inquiry

Then we find out not only PAL-REVIEWED But SELF-REVIEWED exists throughout.



IN a Normal scientific setting …You would be correct. In normal science for the most part ] A scientist / science doesn’t turn authoritarian.