Are all bishops and priests supposed to know how to celebrate the Tridentine Mass?

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The more I look into the Latin Mass the more I consider attending. Firstly I love Latin I always sang in choirs where we did a whole bunch of songs in Latin and you will ever so rarely hear Latin songs in a Novus Ordo mass but that is beyond my point. I am wondering when a man is attending seminary even if he will be celebrating the Novus Ordo mass does he also have to learn the Latin Mass as well? Same for a man who wants to celebrate the Tridentine mass will he also have to know the Novus Ordo as well?

Even bigger question does the bishop need to know both? Or is the Latin mass separate from the new mass? I doubt that is the case but I would love to learn more about it and hopefully get a chance to experience it for myself.
 
No, there is not a requirement that they know both forms. No, both forms are not generally taught in the seminary.
 
Itā€™s not currently a requirement, but it is my personal opinion that it should be.
 
Although the EF is probably not generally required, Canon Law (#249) does require seminarians to become well-versed in Latin and perhaps another language as his diocese or bishop may see fit.
 
No, there is no requirement that a Latin rite priest or bishop know or celebrate the Extraordinary Form Traditional Latin Mass. Very few priests could exclusively celebrate the Extraordinary Form, FSSP or ICKSP priests might be able to.
 
I wish. I understand that Pope Benedict had requested and advised that all seminaries train priest to say the Extraordinary Form of Mass. However, I doubt that this request is being heeded. Most priests I know, including recently ordained priests, say they learned on their own.

That said, I donā€™t believe that the seminaries set up by societies specifically dedicated to saying the EF would teach the Novus Ordo as well. Thatā€™s not so great a concern to me as the NO rubrics are simpler than those of the Traditional Mass; thus, one who has learned the older Mass could easily say the new Mass. That said, I donā€™t know why heā€™d ever want to.

As for bishops, there have been a number who have publicly sung the Extraordinary Form. Bear in mind that when a Bishop says the EF publicly, due the many additional rubrics and minsters required, itā€™s generally a fairly major event. However, I donā€™t believe any bishops sing Solemn Pontifical Mass regularly.

God bless.
 
There are certain priests that must know the EF: such as FSSP priests, or other traditional priests; their societies are dedicated to spreading the EF.

I know that FSSP priests are not taught the Novus Ordo, only the Extraordinary Form. However, I know that ICKSP priests are.

I personally believe that diocesan priests should be taught the EF, as the younger generation is becoming increasingly interested in it, and a traditional priest can be hard to find.
 
bben15 said:
There are certain priests that must know the EF: such as FSSP priests, or other traditional priests; their societies are dedicated to spreading the EF.

I know that FSSP priests are not taught the Novus Ordo, only the Extraordinary Form. However, I know that ICKSP priests are.

I personally believe that diocesan priests should be taught the EF, as the younger generation is becoming increasingly interested in it, and a traditional priest can be hard to find.
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SJC seminarians are not only taught both forms, but they are taught how to teach the EF. I believe this was at the request of Cardinal George. Probably looking at long-range here.
 
bardegaulois said:
I wish. I understand that Pope Benedict had requested and advised that all seminaries train priest to say the Extraordinary Form of Mass. However, I doubt that this request is being heeded. Most priests I know, including recently ordained priests, say they learned on their own.

That said, I donā€™t believe that the seminaries set up by societies specifically dedicated to saying the EF would teach the Novus Ordo as well. Thatā€™s not so great a concern to me as the NO rubrics are simpler than those of the Traditional Mass; thus, one who has learned the older Mass could easily say the new Mass. That said, I donā€™t know why heā€™d ever want to.

As for bishops, there have been a number who have publicly sung the Extraordinary Form. Bear in mind that when a Bishop says the EF publicly, due the many additional rubrics and minsters required, itā€™s generally a fairly major event. However, I donā€™t believe any bishops sing Solemn Pontifical Mass regularly.

God bless.
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Keep in mind: the moto proprio requires all priests of the Roman Rite (not all of the Roman Church) to be willing to celebrate the OF. It makes no reciprocal requirement; OF priests are not required to learn the OF nor be willing to celebrate it.

It also imposes no such obligation upon priests of the other Rites used within the Roman Church (EG: Dominican, Ambrosian, Bragan, Mozarabic), thoā€™ they are almost always trained in the Roman OF in seminary.

Nor does it require anything of the priests of the other Churches in Union with Rome.
 
bardegaulois said:
I wish. I understand that Pope Benedict had requested and advised that all seminaries train priest to say the Extraordinary Form of Mass. However, I doubt that this request is being heeded. Most priests I know, including recently ordained priests, say they learned on their own.

That said, I donā€™t believe that the seminaries set up by societies specifically dedicated to saying the EF would teach the Novus Ordo as well. Thatā€™s not so great a concern to me as the NO rubrics are simpler than those of the Traditional Mass; thus, one who has learned the older Mass could easily say the new Mass. That said, I donā€™t know why heā€™d ever want to.

As for bishops, there have been a number who have publicly sung the Extraordinary Form. Bear in mind that when a Bishop says the EF publicly, due the many additional rubrics and minsters required, itā€™s generally a fairly major event.** However, I donā€™t believe any bishops sing Solemn Pontifical Mass regularly.**

God bless.
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I imagine that the Most Rev. Fernando Areas Rifan sings a pontifical high mass every Sundayā€¦catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/brifan.html. That being said, he may very well be the only bishop in the Catholic Church who does so.
 
bben15 said:
There are certain priests that must know the EF: such as FSSP priests, or other traditional priests; their societies are dedicated to spreading the EF.

I know that FSSP priests are not taught the Novus Ordo, only the Extraordinary Form. However, I know that ICKSP priests are.

I personally believe that diocesan priests should be taught the EF, as the younger generation is becoming increasingly interested in it, and a traditional priest can be hard to find.
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Oh that is interesting to know and I was actually surprised how many younger people like myself wanted the latin mass back as well. There was a parish in my old town that sort of did both. There were times when the mass was celebrated in latin but it was not considered a tridentine parish. I know for a fact they recieve the eucharist on the tongue kneeling for novus ordo but it was kept so close to the latin mass you would not know if it was the same mass. I will have to see if they are still doing that
 
PaulfromIowa said:
No, there is no requirement that a Latin rite priest or bishop know or celebrate the Extraordinary Form Traditional Latin Mass. Very few priests could exclusively celebrate the Extraordinary Form, FSSP or ICKSP priests might be able to.
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I hope soon that can change because the Latin mass is so beautiful and it seems like novus ordo keeps straying further and further from its original roots
 
Even if a seminarian learns the EF Mass, unless he actually says it on a fairly regular basis, he will forget it. (and vice versa for seminarians who learn the OF Mass, but never use it).

Thatā€™s just being human. If donā€™t use it, we lose it. Wish it wasnā€™t so.
 
bardegaulois said:
I wish. I understand that Pope Benedict had requested and advised that all seminaries train priest to say the Extraordinary Form of Mass. However, I doubt that this request is being heeded. Most priests I know, including recently ordained priests, say they learned on their own.

That said, I donā€™t believe that the seminaries set up by societies specifically dedicated to saying the EF would teach the Novus Ordo as well. Thatā€™s not so great a concern to me as the NO rubrics are simpler than those of the Traditional Mass; thus, one who has learned the older Mass could easily say the new Mass. That said, I donā€™t know why heā€™d ever want to.

As for bishops, there have been a number who have publicly sung the Extraordinary Form. Bear in mind that when a Bishop says the EF publicly, due the many additional rubrics and minsters required, itā€™s generally a fairly major event. However, I donā€™t believe any bishops sing Solemn Pontifical Mass regularly.

God bless.
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Refer to boldface (mine) above: How about because of demand? If a sizeable group of people want the OF Mass, they can surely ask for it and since itā€™s the ā€œordinary form,ā€ they should have a right to it, correct?
 
They should start knowing how to serve, at least. They can lead the Mass when ready.
 
confusedgirl said:
I hope soon that can change because the Latin mass is so beautiful and it seems like novus ordo keeps straying further and further from its original roots
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Can you explain this comment and give examples? It sounds like you are saying that the OF (the proper term for what you called the novus ordo) is changing day by day, and recognisably so.

What changes have you observed, that are straying from its roots? Any changes I see are, in fact, leading to it becoming more and more traditional - Latin Agnus Dei, for example.

But overall, the OF hasnā€™t changed to any great extent in any of the parishes I frequent. What have you seen?
 
The Novus Ordo can feel very man-centered at times. Too many times, Iā€™ve seen Mass changes (that are worthy of defrocking IMO) that put the priest at the center of the Mass, telling jokes or focusing on the laity. The EF doesnā€™t do that. The EF is the priest offering himself unto our Lord. Nothing about it has changed in 2000 years. Jesus and the apostles went unto the Altar of God (Psalm 42, introibo ad altare dei) and did not make a comedy show about it.
 
Cat said:
Even if a seminarian learns the EF Mass, unless he actually says it on a fairly regular basis, he will forget it. (and vice versa for seminarians who learn the OF Mass, but never use it).

Thatā€™s just being human. If donā€™t use it, we lose it. Wish it wasnā€™t so.
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Yes, the other issue is the priest shortage. There are barely enough priests to cover the Masses that are currently being offered. Likewise, there isnā€™t a major demand for it like the proponents of EF Mass think there is out there. Itā€™s not just learning the rubrics or having a better fluency in Latin. There are different vestments and requirements, you have to have altar servers that would know the rubrics etc and so on. Itā€™s hard enough to get altar servers to be consistent with the NO Mass anyway. I live in an area with ready accessibility to a number of Catholic Church, in other words there is a large amount of Catholics in the ares. But to attend a EF Mass, I would have to drive about 45 minutes to get to one. There just isnā€™t the demand for this to have priests learn it and then do it and then even convert one of their Masses to EF Mass.
 
paperwight66 said:
Any changes I see are, in fact, leading to it becoming more and more traditional - Latin Agnus Dei, for example.
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So the liberalization of the EF is beginning to have some influence, when previous Church documents, such as Voluntati Obsequens (Jubilate Deo), didnā€™t?
 
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