Are angels masculine?

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phil19034 said:
It’s has to do with general attributes, nothing with one being better than the other.
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“God is masculine relative to angels, and angels are masculine relative to humans.”

He was clearly saying that femininity = inferiority there, and then dug the hole deeper with the “females are passive” balderdash.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
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FrancisPio:
I think Angels are strong and tough
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As are most women.
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Let’s do a pull up competition between men and woman and see if we are “all equal”.
 
Which reminds me of a joke from the 60’s - if men had to give birht to a child…

Fanciful image; poor logic.
 
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phil19034:
It’s has to do with general attributes, nothing with one being better than the other.
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“God is masculine relative to angels, and angels are masculine relative to humans.”

He was clearly saying that femininity = inferiority there, and then dug the hole deeper with the “females are passive” balderdash.
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Again, no one is saying femininity = inferiority. I’m sorry, you are simply hearing what you want to hear or hearing what you are been pre-conditioned to hear.

If you don’t like the philosophical analogy, that’s fine. You can simply state, “I don’t like that argument.” But please do not accuse someone saying femininity is inferior when that was NOT the poster’s intent.

Thank you and God bless
 
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In one of the apparitions, I believe Garibaldi, Michael appeared as a boy. Fitting for an angel who proceeds the Queen of angels, but powerful, powerful enough to throw Satan from the heavens.
 
Oh come on.

Equal does not always mean the same.

Equal means that women are equal in worth with men and not the same as men.

China and India would not have the demographic imbalance they are experiencing now if the culture in those countries considered women a valid part of the human species.
 
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Sarcelle said:
Oh come on.

Equal does not always mean the same.
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Glad we agree. 👏.

The point I made earlier about angels is simply that:
  1. Humans are both body and spirit, therefore we can be, male and female.
  2. Angels are pure spirit. A spirit takes up no space, it doesn’t have a color, taste… and therefore it doesn’t make much sense to place a sex on an angel unless it is to help guide us through a philisophical understanding.
    Example: We call God father instead of mother not because of a physical quality but because he created us not gave birth to us.
 
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phil19034 said:
Again, no one is saying femininity = inferiority. I’m sorry, you are simply hearing what you want to hear or hearing what you are been pre-conditioned to hear.
If you don’t like the philosophical analogy, that’s fine. You can simply state, “I don’t like that argument.” But please do not accuse someone saying femininity is inferior when that was NOT the poster’s intent.
Thank you and God bless
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He said humans (who are inferior to angels) are feminine relative to angels.

Then he said angels (who are infinitely inferior to God) are feminine relative to God.

He’s saying femininity = inferiority.

Also, please restrain yourself the next time you feel the urge to condescendingly refer to someone’s statements as “pre-conditioning.” I actually had a fairly conservative upbringing. That you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t mean I’m not thinking for myself.
 
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FrancisPio said:
> > I think Angels are strong and tough
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> As are most women.

Let’s do a pull up competition between men and woman and see if we are “all equal”.
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Angels do pull ups? Lol.
 
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Safe.

Accurate?

No bodies. Pure spirits.

Those named have masculine names … Michael, Gabriel, Rafael …

Can’t remember an angel being described in female terms in scripture.

Biblical Angels are often described as doing “masculine” things like brandishing swords, thrashing Interlopers to the temple and things …
yet there are comforting Angels … which despite the lack of physical bodies … COULD be seen as a gentler (more feminine?) trait.

On a side note, if you were to look to purchase “an angel” bit of artwork these days … most contemporary vetsions are depicted as female … bordering on fairy-like.

Exceptions to that are depictions of St. Michael and the Angel guiding children over a bridge (guardian angel) one sometimes sees at religious gift shops.

🤔 Thanks for a thoughtful exercise.

Not sure if Angels are closer to neither. both, or more masculine per perceived sexuality. and neuter doesn’t seem exactly right either.

When bad Angels tempt people, they seem masculine mostly. Certainly Satan and “legion” come off that way.

No scriptural references to temptress demons luring men to sexual sins – seems a bit more like Greek mythology (the Sirens, etc.) ; but “temptation” itself can seem feminine despite the fact that Eve’s tempter seems more male (and is actually more clearly described as an animal than a man).
 
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In a dream years ago, I saw a beautiful lady. She was standing in mid-air. I immediately knew she is a messenger. It was on a Holy Week. She asked me if I really wanted to be with Jesus. SHE is female…so tall and beautiful! Her long wavy hair and all of her gown move as if blown by the wind. A soft, beautiful, bright light emanates from within her. Her eyes were looking directly at God. I asked her why she is so beautiful and I realized that her beauty comes from the “Light,” Who is God.

She asked me three times. I kept telling her I wanted to be with Jesus until another vision of my young son appeared before me…and I said, “I cannot go…” The vision disappeared.
 
I wonder if our guardian angels are amused looking at us argue about them…
 
Angels are pure spirit without bodies. They have no sexes – ie, they are neither male nor female. Any talk about them being “masculine” or “feminine” is going to fall short or be inapplicable. But we can use the grammatical gender of their names, or the appearance of the forms they take, as a way to talk about them.

God is a different case, because He has revealed to us that He wants us to call Him things like the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We use the names He has revealed to us, and we know that the essence of human words like “father” was given to them by God’s ultimate fatherliness. But that doesn’t change the fact that, except for Jesus Who is true man, a human male, as well as true God, God is a pure spirit without a sex.

The main reason that early Christian art depicted mostly male-appearance angels is that they were usually depicting specific Biblical angels with male names, or they were depicting angels as courtiers and warriors in God’s heavenly royal court (or sent out as royal legates from His court). They also had to resist depicting female figures with wings, because those were associated with various pagan goddesses (for example, the Van who took souls, in Etruscan belief, winged figures of Fortune or Victory, and asuras and devas) or with pagan depictions of the soul.

Occasionally we see early Christians repurposing the baby/toddler/kid amoretti/Cupids/animae that were common on pagan sepulchres. But we don’t know what they were taking them as: angels? souls? meaningless decoration?

Victorians obviously didn’t worry much about female-appearing angels being understood as pagan worship. They did have a beef about beautiful girl virgin saints hanging out with masculine-looking angels, so female angels started showing up as chaperones. Since they were fun to draw and looked nice, the feminine angels got popular. It’s kinda stupid.

However, if it can be shown that female-appearing angels are leading people to believe that angels are female instead of just looking that way, the Church will eventually ban them, as has happened to a few other misleading images. (It is usually made clear that the image itself is okay, but that bad theology is why we can’t have nice things.)
 
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Now where did the naked babies with wings come from?

They’re supposed to be the cherubim right?

The cherubim are powerful angels why portray them as naked babies with wings?
 
Maxirad said:
Well, 1ke, a certain Catholic apologist has insisted that angels are masculine.
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To be sure, the Catholic apologist in question has admitted that angels are neither male nor female. However…
 
They are spirits, but they all have masculine names and take on the appearance of males.
 
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