Are Anglicans protestants?

[7_Sorrows]

It often depends on whom you ask, yes.

GKC

yep!

 

[boar2roar]

I always thought growing up that the only difference was we were not under authority of the Pope, but that our liturgy was almost identical with the liturgy of the Mass. I definitely identified more closely with the Catholic church than I did with baptists, methodists, presbyterians,
lutherans or evangelical churches. I did not consider myself solidly protestant. I think it depends on who you ask.
Granted the episcopal church I grew up in is very different to what it is today.

Well historical anglicans from about Elizabeth to well pretty late into the twentieth century were very anti catholic. There level of “protestantism” fluctuated but they strongly preferred a Huguenot or calvinist over a catholic. Now a days you don’t get the rabid antis expect for NI and orangemen. You probably went to a high church anglican place and depending on how old you are they might have been pretty traditional. Thats all changed now of course and the anglicans are leaders of the liberal movement. Which is a very natural progression for a protestant church which most anglicans consider themselves

 

[GKC]

Well historical anglicans from about Elizabeth to well pretty late into the twentieth century were very anti catholic. There level of “protestantism” fluctuated but they strongly preferred a Huguenot or calvinist over a catholic. Now a days you don’t get the rabid antis expect for NI and orangemen. You probably went to a high church anglican place and depending on how old you are they might have been pretty traditional. Thats all changed now of course and the anglicans are leaders of the liberal movement. Which is a very natural progression for a protestant church which most anglicans consider themselves

No, it’s not all changed now. Anglicans are still motley. Likely always will be.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

No, it’s not all changed now. Anglicans are still motley. Likely always will be.

GKC

Yes. Motley.

 

[boar2roar]

No, it’s not all changed now. Anglicans are still motley. Likely always will be.

GKC

They have changed on some things that ( wom bishop, every view that the Episcopalian church has on social issues) most anglicans years ago would have scoffed at.

Again I don’t see the difference between anglicans and other motley groups like EKD or lutherans?

 

[GKC]

They have changed on some things that ( wom bishop, every view that the Episcopalian church has on social issues) most anglicans years ago would have scoffed at.

Again I don’t see the difference between anglicans and other motley groups like EKD or lutherans?

I’d say their motleyness is unsurpassed. But I’m prejudiced.

Not all Anglicans place collars or miters upon sacramentally invalid subjects.

GKC

 

[KjetilK]

They have changed on some things that ( wom bishop, every view that the Episcopalian church has on social issues) most anglicans years ago would have scoffed at.

Again I don’t see the difference between anglicans and other motley groups like EKD or lutherans?

You seem to be conflating ‘Anglicanism’ to ‘some members of the Anglican communion.’

 

[boar2roar]

You seem to be conflating ‘Anglicanism’ to ‘some members of the Anglican communion.’

Aren’t “some members of the anglican communion” full fledged anglicans? I’m not trying to be difficult its just that no one claims that Lutherans aren’t protestant because of their motleyness so why anglicans?

 

[GKC]

Aren’t “some members of the anglican communion” full fledged anglicans? I’m not trying to be difficult its just that no one claims that Lutherans aren’t protestant because of their motleyness so why anglicans?

I’d say all member Churches of the Anglican Communion (official title) are Anglicans, yes.

Not all Anglicans are members of the Anglican Communion.

Not all members of the Anglican Communion are like all other members of the Anglican Communion, in all respects.

Generally speaking, if one generalizes about Anglicans, one (generally) will be wrong. Some Anglicans consider themselves protestants (vehemently). Some consider themselves protestants (quietly). Some consider themselves Catholic, in some sense, with some caveats. Some consider themselves some form of hybrid. Feel free to pick which you agree with. Some Anglicans will agree with you.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

I’d say their motleyness is unsurpassed. But I’m prejudiced.

Not all Anglicans place collars or miters upon sacramentally invalid subjects.

GKC

I think they prefer to be called “women”.

 

[GKC]

I think they prefer to be called “women”.

Yes, that is what they are; the referent.

And, in the context of the sacrament of order, they are sacramentally invalid subjects, with respect to the validity of the sacramental action.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

I’d say their motleyness is unsurpassed. But I’m prejudiced.

Not all Anglicans place collars or miters upon sacramentally invalid subjects.

GKC

I agree. Their motleyness is unsurpassed!

 

[boar2roar]

Yes, that is what they are; the referent.

And, in the context of the sacrament of order, they are sacramentally invalid subjects, with respect to the validity of the sacramental action.

GKC

Im curious though what percentage of Anglicans roughly do you think are actually anglo catholic, meaning basically catholic just not under the pope. What about the percentage in the CoE? I don’t mean high church followers like Rowan but genuine ones. I’d be shocked if they were anything but a tiny minority.

 

[GKC]

Im curious though what percentage of Anglicans roughly do you think are actually anglo catholic, meaning basically catholic just not under the pope. What about the percentage in the CoE? I don’t mean high church followers like Rowan but genuine ones. I’d be shocked if they were anything but a tiny minority.

I have no idea, but they certainly are fewer in number than in their hey-day, through the first half of the 20th century.

But Anglo-Catholics would not be properly characterized as Catholic, not under the Pope. The rather smaller group, primarily located in England, known as Anglo-Papalists, might be.

It is useful, bit not essential, to distinguish high church from Anglo-Catholic; as some scholars do, the high church Anglicans arising from the Ritualist movement in the 1840s+, the Anglo-Catholic from the Tractarians. Most often, they are mostly the same group, these days Rowan, I am told, was accounted Anglo-Catholic before he became Cantaur. Affirming Catholic seems more accurate.

GKC

 

[guanophore]

Sometimes I see places where it says Anglicans are not Protestants, but a distinctive branch of Christianity, but then other times I see places where it says that Anglicans are Protestants. Isn’t the full name of the Episcopal Church the Protestant Episcopal Church of America? Does that show Anglicans are Protestants? But then you will hear a lot of Anglicans disavow Protestant and refer to themselves as a distinct branch… I’m really confused…

All Protestants are a distinctive branch of Christianity.

And of course, Anglicans consider themselves Catholic.

When King Henry took over the Church, the faith of the people in the Church did not change.

 

[GKC]

All Protestants are a distinctive branch of Christianity.

And of course, Anglicans consider themselves Catholic.

When King Henry took over the Church, the faith of the people in the Church did not change.

RE: sentence 2. Some Anglicans consider themselves Catholic.

Re; sentence 3. The faith did not change greatly, under Henry.

GKC

 

[guanophore]

we certainly are not Roman Catholics and certainly not Orthodox -nor are we any of those “slipped down Catholics” -the Old catholics -the PNCC- and we are not Byzantine Catholics

What separates you from these other Christians?

this may shock people but we could not care less whether the term is applied to us or not-I do not view the word “Protestant” as a bad thing & I would hope that an enlightened Roman Catholic would view it the same-

however we are not defined but what we are not but by what we are-we are a sacramental Church who have retained many of the traditions of Roman catholicism-

All Protestants are defined by which parts, and to which extent of the Catholic faith they reject. They all “denominated” or took their identity out of and against Catholicism.

I view our Church as a continuation of the Christianity taught to us and passed down thru the Apostles-we are a member of the holy catholic apostolic church-by the way so are the Lutherans - Methodists -Baptists and the other branches of Christianity

The Catholic “enlightened” view is that of Christ, who desires no division in His One Body, the Church…

“…that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” John 17: 22

 

[Peter_J]

Yes, that is what they are; the referent.

And, in the context of the sacrament of order, they are sacramentally invalid subjects, with respect to the validity of the sacramental action.

GKC

True.

I sometimes forget that humor doesn’t exist on this forum.

 

[GKC]

True.

I sometimes forget that humor doesn’t exist on this forum.

Are you sure?

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

Are you sure?

GKC

I’m not sure what you mean. But perhaps it doesn’t matter: my quip (“I think they prefer to be called “women”.”) wasn’t terribly funny, so …