Are Catholicism and protestantism different religions?

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What makes them a branch and not the actual tree? The branch is watered from the tree which is rooted where?
 
They are, yes. Martin Luther said that justification by faith alone is the doctrine by which the church stands or falls. The Council of Tren anathematizes those who believe this doctrine (pronounces a curse of damnation upon them) and the Protestant confessions (of both the Lutheran and Reformed type) both teach it very clearly.

The apostle Paul in Galatians anathematizes anyone who teaches a different gospel. The Roman Catholic and Protestant (confessional Reformed/Lutheran) gospels are fundamentally different. One of us is under the anathema of God. They are different religions.
 
Rob_Arnzen said:
Protestantism is not a monolith, so the question really can’t be answered.

There is almost nothing in common between an Anglican, a Bible Baptist, and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.

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Anglicans (39 Articles) and Bible Baptists (LBC 1689) have the same soteriology.

The “Latter Day Saints” is a non-Christian religion and has nothing to do wtih Protestantism.
 
Indifferently said:
Anglicans (39 Articles) and Bible Baptists (LBC 1689) have the same soteriology.

The “Latter Day Saints” is a non-Christian religion and has nothing to do wtih Protestantism.
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I would suspect that GKC would say some Anglicans, as the 39 articles are not binding on Anglicans generally. “Motley”, says he.

Jon
 
This question will be asked, pondered upon, argued over, and redefined for many more generations in order to justify our “Christian” unity as described in John chapter 17. But I think the more important question is “who do they say we are?” The “they” being those outside of Christianity.

While I do believe we (Protestants, Orthodox, & Catholics) are the same religion, from an outsiders perspective looking in, sadly, I can’t help think that there is no way to believe this. :o

Peace!!!
 
adf417 said:
This question will be asked, pondered upon, argued over, and redefined for many more generations in order to justify our “Christian” unity as described in John chapter 17. But I think the more important question is “who do they say we are?” The “they” being those outside of Christianity.

While I do believe we (Protestants, Orthodox, & Catholics) are the same religion, from an outsiders perspective looking in, sadly, I can’t help think that there is no way to believe this. :o

Peace!!!
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We may be much more aware of it than people outside of Christianity. How many Christians can name one difference in the beliefs or traditions of Shia and Sunni Muslims?
 
JonNC said:
I would suspect that GKC would say some Anglicans, as the 39 articles are not binding on Anglicans generally. “Motley”, says he.

Jon
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Ugh. One of the reasons I’m not all that keen on the term “Anglican”. Reformed Protestant according to the Reformed Protestant Church of England’s Reformed and Protestant formularies. Divorce yourself from that, and the term “Anglican” means whatever you want it to mean.

I prefer to root the term in history.
 
Stilldreamn said:
We may be much more aware of it than people outside of Christianity. How many Christians can name one difference in the beliefs or traditions of Shia and Sunni Muslims?
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I, for one, cannot name any differences but I don’t see how this of any relevance, unless of course, you are implying one of these, Shia or Sunni, might have the fullness of truth.

Peace!!!
 
Peter_J said:
Catholics and protestants: Are Catholicism and protestantism different religions? (Please also indicate which you are.) For purposes of this discussion, please consider “Catholic” (as distinct from “catholic”) to mean ICWR (in communion with Rome).
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Catholic and non-Catholic are different religions.

Pope Paul VI, in Matrimonia Mixta (1970) changed the terminology of mixed religion to mixed marriage, defining “Mixed marriages, that is to say marriages in which one party is a Catholic and the other a non-Catholic, whether baptized or not” yet the Catholic Church refers to Catholic and non Catholic, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and in canon law legislates using Catholic and non Catholic religion.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist."324
Mixed marriages and disparity of cult

1633 In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a non-baptized person) requires even greater circumspection.

And in Canon Law non Catholic religion is used:

**CIC Can. 1366 **Parents, and those taking the place of parents, who hand over their children to be baptised or brought up in a non Catholic religion, are to be punished with a censure or other just penalty.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P52.HTM

CCEO Canon 1439 Parents and those who take the place of parents, who present children to be baptized or raised in a non Catholic religion, are to be punished with an appropriate penalty.
 
Indifferently said:
Anglicans (39 Articles) and Bible Baptists (LBC 1689) have the same soteriology.

The “Latter Day Saints” is a non-Christian religion and has nothing to do wtih Protestantism.
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Could someone explain what soteriology is. Thank you.
 
adf417 said:
This question will be asked, pondered upon, argued over, and redefined for many more generations in order to justify our “Christian” unity as described in John chapter 17. But I think the more important question is “who do they say we are?” The “they” being those outside of Christianity.

While I do believe we (Protestants, Orthodox, & Catholics) are the same religion, from an outsiders perspective looking in, sadly, I can’t help think that there is no way to believe this. :o

Peace!!!
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Good post.

“They will know we are Christians by our love.”

Lord have mercy!

P.S. Although to be fair, I think Christian groups have considerably more love for each other than is typically reflected in online blogs/forums.
 
I believe it was Anne Catherine Emmerick who answered this question - one is a man-made religion (she had visions about the split with the Catholic Church and used this actual term) - the other was founded by Christ.
 
No. We are both the same religion. Catholicism is UN-denominated Christianity.
 
Tigg said:
I believe it was Anne Catherine Emmerick who answered this question - one is a man-made religion (she had visions about the split with the Catholic Church and used this actual term) - the other was founded by Christ.
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That is a statement I tend to agree with.
 
Peter_J said:
Good post.

“They will know we are Christians by our love.”

Lord have mercy!

P.S. Although to be fair, I think Christian groups have considerably more love for each other than is typically reflected in online blogs/forums.
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👍 On all counts.
 
Religion is sometimes defined as belief in a particular deity. In that respect a great many Protestants have the same religion as us, the worship of the Triune God who revealed himself most completely in the Incarnate Word.

But a religion is more aptly defined as an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules which promote a particular way of life in service to that deity. It might admit of some diversity among different cultures, but always in harmony and without conflicting truth claims. In this respect, Protestantism cannot be considered one religion, let alone the same as ours. If we say that Protestantism is the same religion as ours, then we admit that God revealed many conflicting truths; in short, we make God a liar and sower of confusion, which is blasphemy.
 
adf417 said:
I, for one, cannot name any differences but I don’t see how this of any relevance, unless of course, you are implying one of these, Shia or Sunni, might have the fullness of truth.

Peace!!!
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No, no! I did not intend to imply that.

I mentioned the Muslim differences in answer to your question about how we may be “perceived” by outsiders. Non-Christians are likely not aware of how and why we are separated. Unless they investigate further they would not know who had the truth and who did not.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Could someone explain what soteriology is. Thank you.
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Theology of salvation. The confessional Anglican and the confessional (1689) Baptist both believe in a Reformed understanding of salvation.
 
Stilldreamn said:
No, no! I did not intend to imply that.

I mentioned the Muslim differences in answer to your question about how we may be “perceived” by outsiders. Non-Christians are likely not aware of how and why we are separated. Unless they investigate further they would not know who had the truth and who did not.
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That is a good point. I wonder what non-christians think when they see so many different types of churches! Baptist, presbyterian, methodist, calvary chapel, lutheran, episcopal, megachurches and non denominational churches. Then also catholic and orthodox.
Pretty confusing!
 
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