Are "drag shows" against Catholic teaching?

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VeryBlessed said:
Some things that used to be perfectly OK or not wrong become wrong over time, because of the way the world around us is changing. Consider that some 40 years ago, it would’ve been perfectly fine for me as a man to tell a woman in my work place that she looked really pretty that day, and she might have been gladdened by the comment. But now I could be fired for saying it, even if I meant it perfectly innocently. So it has become wrong because of how sexually charged our society has become. I wonder if the same comes into play here. Flip Wilson and Geraldine was performed in a far different world than the world of today. It’s sad. The depravity of our culture is ruining many things that might once have been ok.

We throw sex in people’s faces all the time, and then we get offended when they see a sexual “agenda” everywhere. Crazy.
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No, it has not become wrong now. It always was wrong. Just more people now.are speaking up about it.

See, women are in a workplace to work and many would always have been more comfortable if you focused on how they do their job rather than how attractive you find then.
 
Jen95 said:
You are a veritable expert! Good thing you are here to set us straight.
I find it strange that this entertainment is becoming more and more mainstreamed. I personally have only seen such things on TV/ movies / news stories.
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I’m no expert on drag or drag queens. Nevertheless, I’ve probably seen more drag queens than most people here in CAF.

And as for this becomimg more mainstream, that’s not especially surprising. That happens all the time for other things as well. About 35 years ago, I got a small diamond stud in my left ear at a time when most men, especially straight men, didn’t have earings. I was kind of nervous about it, but no one said anything to me about it although my cousin was telling me recently that his Dad noticed it and disapproved. Now, lots of straight young men wear earings, some in both ears.
 
LilyM said:
See, women are in a workplace to work and many would always have been more comfortable if you focused on how they do their job rather than how attractive you find then.
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I hope you’re not offended, if so I feel bad about it. Perhaps I did not express myself well. I think you completely misunderstand me. I totally agree with you. My point is, some things that used to be OK become not OK because of the way society changes. I think our culture poisons even the best of intentions. I find it really sad.
 
Jen95 said:
Are drag shows against Catholic teaching? Or are they harmless entertainment?
Or are they akin to a minstrel show, only demeaning women instead of African-Americans?
–Please don’t bother to post any popcorn emojis.–

If not, why not?
If so, why?
Here’s a link that discusses a response from the Vatican about this. But perhaps it only applies in the context of a Catholic University that holds drag shows?
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Please allow me to say, as a father of a 23 yo daughter who, after playing drag as a dude and getting further caught up in that world, then a cpl months ago had an elective double mastectomy because she “identifies” as a male, which I equate to looking God in the face and saying “you are wrong”…

Drag shows are bad no matter how u slice it, like a poop pie.
Avoid them like rattlesnakes. Nothing good or entertaining about that stuff. I dont care wat anyone says, they are a huge devil’s playground and, regardless of your intentions, going to them IMO is little different than riding the tallest parade float during “pride” month, which as one affected by that, I say is a Shame Month.

Here u go → To tolerate a behavior (don’t confuse with not loving the sinner), as if it is ok, is essentially to condone the behavior. To condone, in the case of the rainbow crowd and a Catholic, is to support. So, don’t go play where that behavior is or may be, as you may very quickly end up being confused with, or actually becoming, a supporter of it.

Blessings & God protect you,
 
Thank you for your post. It must have been very difficult to write. I agree with you 100%.

Your daughter, and the rest of your family have our prayers.
 
Me too childinthefaith. Feeling your pain, sending prayers up for you & your family.
 
ricmat said:
Thank you for your post. It must have been very difficult to write. I agree with you 100%.

Your daughter, and the rest of your family have our prayers.
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You’re welcome. It was not difficult to write. It is fact. The emotional part hurt bad, but I had to give her over to God when she turned 18 and refused our (name removed by moderator)ut on such issues, left home at 19 I believe it was, been quite difficult to handle in person at times. But, I pray for my child. I try to set the best example I can to give her a standard in plain view at least. But she is in God’s hands. I have zero control.
VeryBlessed said:
Me too childinthefaith. Feeling your pain, sending prayers up for you & your family
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I appreciate the prayers from ya all very much, esp on behalf of my baby girl. And no matter what she does, doctors do, or anything else, she will always remain my baby girl. Anyone who doesn’t like that has a 6’2" 250lb redneck raised soldier to deal with…
It has been a struggle with folks wanting us to use male pronouns, calling her a “him” at a hospital, etc., but I simply say “her” and “my daughter” then state her legal name, that I wrote on the birth cert. I also cut her cord. I remember how happy we were when I yelled in the delivery “It’s a girl honey!” No man can take that from me, plastic surgeon, endocrinolgist, “therapist,” or anyone else.

What I can’t figure out is why, since gender dysphoria is listed as a mental disorder in the DSM, why they “affirm” instead “fix.” If I were OCD about germs for instance, my doctor would prescribe a mental health med, not an unlimited supply of hand sanitizer. Therefore, it makes zero sense that for gender dysphoria, medical “professionals” prescribe a female depo-tesosterone injections. Gender can not be changed. It can be faked, not changed. Like her having as much beard scruff as me in Christmas pics, that is fake. THAT hurts.
Then there’s this whole “gender fluid” thing I don’t get, like one can morph to more than 1 of 2 genders at will…like how many genders are they trying to claim now? Plus all the political stuff. That’s what gets under my skin. People just won’t call a spade a spade.
Anyway, thank you for your prayers very much 🙂
Blessings,
 
If someone has anorexia, and thinks they’re overweight when they weigh 90 pounds, do doctors treat the illness, or affirm the illness?
It seems like the same thing to me.
Prayers for you and your family.
 
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Jen95 said:
If someone has anorexia, and thinks they’re overweight when they weigh 90 pounds, do doctors treat it the illness, or affirm the illness?
It seems like the same thing to me.
Prayers for you and your family.
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Precisely my point 🙂
 
They aren’t the same thing at all.

People with anorexia think they are fat, they see fat rolls that aren’t there.

A person with gender dysphoria see their body as it is, there is no delusion.

The therapies for anorexia would be contraindicated; they likely exacerbate the dysphoria.
 
Also, drag shows, drag artists have little to do with being transgender. A transgender person isn’t dressing in drag and the significant majority of drag artists aren’t trans. I do know of a trans man who does male drag. Convincingly.
 
He is a trans man, meaning he was assigned female at birth (AFAB) and has transitioned.

When he performs it is as a male persona as well. Same sex “drag” is a thing, too; and they may or may not be trans. I’d say most are not trans, but I don’t know for sure.
 
Jen95 said:
If someone has anorexia, and thinks they’re overweight when they weigh 90 pounds, do doctors treat the illness, or affirm the illness?
It seems like the same thing to me.
Prayers for you and your family.
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There are no effective medications or psychotherapies for treating gender dysphoria. If there were, doctors would be using them. And while someone with anorexia might die if they continue to not eat, dressing and acting like the other gender won’t kill anyone and such people often can live otherwise productive lives. A lot of transgender people never have surgery and only transition socially. And even surgery isn’t usually fatal.
 
What is same-sex drag?

Would you call it same-sex drag if a 31-year-old woman dressed as a 50-something woman?

What makes it drag instead of just being?
 
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Jen95:
If someone has anorexia, and thinks they’re overweight when they weigh 90 pounds, do doctors treat the illness, or affirm the illness?
It seems like the same thing to me.
Prayers for you and your family.
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There are no effective medications or psychotherapies for treating gender dysphoria. If there were, doctors would be using them. And while someone with anorexia might die if they continue to not eat, dressing and acting like the other gender won’t kill anyone and such people often can live otherwise productive lives. A lot of transgender people never have surgery and only transition socially. And even surgery isn’t usually fatal.
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“And even surgery isn’t usually fatal.”
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Jen95 said:
“And even surgery isn’t usually fatal.”
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My point was that surgery, for whatever reason, does have has some risks, but they are usually quite small. Almost nothing we do in life is risk free.
 
It’s performance like traditional drag is. The hair is bigger, the makeup is more dramatic, over the top, and costumes. They create a persona.

If it’s done right you wouldn’t be able to tell who’s a drag queen and a faux queen.
 
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